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Post by The Chad on Thu Feb 17, 2011 11:32 am

Actually, I can't solo anything even somewhat close to this. But anyway, check this out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVxsB5oNiTw&feature=related

Shocked His tone, the emotion, amazing. Man, he makes that Strat weep and howl. This is the sound that I gravitate towards. Some train to shred like Malmsteen, but I'd rather let my spirit and soul speak through my guitar.

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Post by corsair on Thu Feb 17, 2011 2:22 pm

It's a wonderful piece, for sure, and I've seen it live twice - understated, simple, elegant and tone that'll kill ya!! Bear in mind, too, that he has about 900billion watts of PA/sound reinforcement going on, 2 or 3 soundmen keeping it all tied together and a Bradshaw switching system with rack gear that would put NASA to shame.... oh, that and more talent in his hair clippings than I'll ever have!!

Not sure I could pick a favourite solo piece; Kenny Burrell's Bye and bye is right up there, Steely Dan's Kid Charlemagne and Midnight at the oasis by Maria Muldaur have great solos too... Laughing

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3tHYb4_bAg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zmX6_ujBN0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdwUY7TknS4 has always made the hair on the back of my neck twitch as well....

and this just takes my breath away... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWMvVY8SwGA&feature=related

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Post by Barry on Thu Feb 17, 2011 4:01 pm

The Chad wrote:...His tone, the emotion, amazing. Man, he makes that Strat weep and howl. This is the sound that I gravitate towards. Some train to shred like Malmsteen, but I'd rather let my spirit and soul speak through my guitar.
Yeah, I tend to lean this way myself. Not that I'm any great shakes as a solo player either. But you're right, it's all about the soul of the music, not how many friggin' notes you can machine gun out in a minute.

I'm not a huge Floyd fan, but I've always loved what Gilmour does. Strangely though, when I think of him playing he always has a Tele in hand, not a Strat.

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Post by The Chad on Thu Feb 17, 2011 4:07 pm

I'm not too into Floyd either, but I really like his tone. EMG produces a Gilmour signature pup set, only for the Strat though, I think. I bet everyone in the crowd was in heavan during this. Mostly because they were high. Suspect

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Post by colt933 on Thu Feb 17, 2011 5:29 pm

Gilmour's feel, phrasing, and tone are to die for...no doubt. He is one of my favorites - along with Mark Knopfler, Trevor Rabin, Gary Moore, Eric Johnson...

Honestly, that solo is easy - just basic blues pentatonic licks. But mastering the feel and inflection is nearly impossible. And that TONE....

I had the DG set from EMG a few years ago but I'm over it now. When EMG first started making single coils, they were really the only game in town if you wanted clean tones with no buzz and no magnet pull on the strings. One big reason strats don't have particularly good sustain is the use of really strong magnets in the pickups - the strong magnetic field pulls on the string forcing it back to center and thus killing the sustain. And of course single coils are noisy as well. For these two reasons mainly EMGs were all the rage in Nashville studios 15-20 years ago. There's a Vince Gill EMG set too! But just about everyone is over that phase now. EMGs totally sound sterile - they have no character or soul. Get yourself a set and play with them for a while and you will see what I mean. Ironic that Gilmour used them sometimes as he is so soulful and full of character. Specifically though, he used them on the Momentary Lapse of Reason record and used the mid boost circuit to get a different kind of sound from a strat like on the song Sorrow. In this instance, he just happens to be playing this guitar for this song. On later shows - like the StratPack concert for instance, he only plays the EMGs for that mid boost tone for the specific song Sorrow. Some of the Clapton signature strats have an active mid boost circuit in them as well (not EMG). I forget if it's the newer ones or the ones from a few years ago.

Getting off topic here...I believe Metallica now use EMGs in the best practical way - they use them for clean sounds live. When you roll the volume down on your normal humbucker, it gets muddy and loses high end - especially on a boomy, mid-scooped modern high gain amp. But the EMGs give a clean chimey sound that is not muddy when rolled back. There are other ways to achieve this (like the treble bleed mod I have on a couple of my guitars) but this is a very practical approach for a live band with really really loud and gained up amps. You will note that Metallica do not play guitars with EMGs live on songs where there is no clean part. Their use is very specific.

If you get the chance, check out the Strat Pack concert video. Gilmour is Killer!! And Gilmour at Gdansk is killer too. In the Strat Pack concert, be sure to check out Hank Marvin and you will see where Jeff Beck gets his right hand technique.

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Post by IanO on Thu Feb 17, 2011 9:16 pm

Anything from chet atkins/ mark knopfler 'neck & neck' album.................astounding-the only word for it.

It's all over youtube etc.

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Post by Barry on Fri Feb 18, 2011 9:28 am

IanO wrote:Anything from chet atkins/ mark knopfler 'neck & neck' album.................astounding-the only word for it.
It's all over youtube etc.
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YouTube? I actually bought the LP record! Yes, yes, children, Vinyl!!

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Post by The Chad on Fri Feb 18, 2011 2:19 pm

Barry wrote:I actually bought the LP record! Yes, yes, children, Vinyl!!

What the heck is VINYL?! Very Happy I think Vinyl sounds better, isn't as compressed as CD or MP3. Neck and Neck is astounding, it's playing in the background right now.

That was a good observation on the EMG's. They have thier place.

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Post by colt933 on Fri Mar 04, 2011 11:34 am

Check out www.gilmourish.com!!!!

Anyone have a vintage Dynacomp they want to sell?

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Post by anaerobe on Fri Mar 04, 2011 12:06 pm

U-Vinyl Barry? Very Happy Very Happy

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Post by Barry on Fri Mar 04, 2011 3:37 pm

anaerobe wrote:U-Vinyl Barry? Very Happy Very Happy
Sounds like a plan. Hmmm...

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Post by anaerobe on Sun Mar 06, 2011 12:38 pm

More to the point... I also do love Gilmour's stuff and I have to agree the feeling behind this thread - for phrasing this is simply one of the best solos around. Colt - if you would post a "how to" on utube I would be the first to subscribe. Its a goal of mine to get somewhere close to it. Someday. Smile

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I can't solo like this.......

Post by IanO on Mon Mar 07, 2011 4:30 pm

It would be very interesting to be able to hear some members interpretations of some of these solos or original solos, anybody got an work on youtube etc......sorry, i think this should be a new thread.
I would love to be able to replicate this phrasing/vibrato
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asUQBl1DTDA

Great solo and great guitar

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Post by corsair on Tue Mar 08, 2011 2:09 am

That's a pretty standard Vai/Satch/Lynch/Beach/Malmsteen/? tone, though... most multi FX boards I've ever seen have those sorts of noise on tap somewhere in the pre-sets, and it's not really all that hard to replicate with a compressor, overdrive and valve amp. I can get the sound - sort-of! - but I certainly can't play like George Lynch or any of the other über-guitarists.... Laughing

Listening to Dokken right now, actually...

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i can't solo like this.......

Post by IanO on Tue Mar 08, 2011 3:03 am

I would agree about effects and tone but I have always thought GL has a tone that identifies him from most(if not all others) annoyingly a lot of the time his tone is a trebly fizz, but still doesn't hide the lynchiness of his playing - I guess it really is all in the fingers!

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Post by colt933 on Tue Mar 08, 2011 10:09 am

IanO wrote:I would agree about effects and tone but I have always thought GL has a tone that identifies him from most(if not all others) annoyingly a lot of the time his tone is a trebly fizz, but still doesn't hide the lynchiness of his playing - I guess it really is all in the fingers!

I used to have a Pantera X-300 with a Duncan George Lynch Screamin' Demon pickup in the bridge. Lynch was using maple body guitars when they designed this pickup and it worked VERY well in the X-300 maple body. The name of the pickup is a misnomer however. It's just a slightly tweaked PAF style - not a scorcher as the name implies.

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Post by Iceman on Sat Mar 12, 2011 5:52 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjA5faZF1A8&feature=youtube_gdata_player


....only in my dreams......

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Post by corsair on Sun Mar 13, 2011 5:28 am

No doubting the skill, but you've got to question how that'd stand up in a gig situation; I suspect you'd clear the dance floor in double quick time, eh! Cool When I was a lot younger I did a version of Beethovens' Bagatelle No. 25 in A minor (Für Elise) along the same lines and thought it absolutely magic.... until I aired it publicly and got an awful lot of strange looks from the band.... and the crowd!!

I played in bands - and indeed played my instruments - to entertain which primarily meant filling a dance floor and to do that you have to sing songs in these modern times; occasionally we'd throw in an instrumental like Sleepwalk, The Happy Organ - (yes, that's a real tune - look it up!!), or latterly, Spiderbaits version of Ghost riders or Hocus Pocus/Sylvia, but the crowds get bored with them very quickly, I found...

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Post by Westbone on Sun Mar 13, 2011 5:53 am

An instrumental that didn't clear the dance floor was, Green Onions, Booker T and the MG's. but it was in the charts at the time. That was an eon ago. affraid


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Post by Barry on Sun Mar 13, 2011 11:28 am

corsair wrote:...I played in bands - and indeed played my instruments - to entertain which primarily meant filling a dance floor and to do that you have to sing songs in these modern times; occasionally we'd throw in an instrumental...but the crowds get bored with them very quickly, I found...
So very true. Same here. In all the years we gigged, I think I could count on the fingers of one hand the number of instrumentals actually attempted by the band. The idea was to:
a) highlight the other band members, and;
b) give me a break from singing!

Same reaction; great fun for the lead guitars etc, but no one really wanted to hear it on the dance floor. After a few drinks in the belly, folks want familiarity, something they can relate to and sing along to (badly usually). If you're in a bar, it's all about getting people sweaty and amorous so they'll buy beer. If you're at a wedding it's about cranking the mood up

Our experimentation with instrumentals ended, fast! I was always concerned that all our stuff was vocally based, but it turned out to be the right choice, if tough on me. I did get the occasional break when Rich or Mickey would sing but even then, the crowd's mood shifted. Strange but the mob knows what it likes and wants, eh?

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Post by Iceman on Sun Mar 13, 2011 3:29 pm

Mostly I put it up 'cause I really enjoy the Trans-Siberian Orchestra. It is a bit entertaining watching those little fingers go as well.

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