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Re: Possible FT bridge replacement??

Post by Barry on Mon Sep 03, 2012 10:01 am

We believe forum member Rick, and others subsequently, when he says it "dropped right in" and it works! It literally drops into the existing routing. Honestly, what more "confirmation" could you possibly need?

We even offer it on our information web site: LINK

A FR is not the answer as everyone who has tried it has discovered. This GFS is.

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Post by Victory Pete on Mon Sep 03, 2012 10:05 am

Barry wrote:We believe forum member Rick, and others subsequently, when he says it "dropped right in" and it works! It literally drops into the existing routing.
Honestly, what more "confirmation" could you possibly need?

A FR is not the answer as everyone who has tried it has discovered. This GFS is.



I have sent him a PM. "Honestly", I would like some specific confirmation, type and year Westone he has, string gauge, action, neck relief, there are many variables. Do you have any experience with that bridge?



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Re: Possible FT bridge replacement??

Post by Westbone on Thu Sep 13, 2012 4:34 pm

Exactly Iceman, you had the perfect opportunity.

AND, didn't even try.

So, apart from actually buying one and trying one.

Who to this day knows? for sure. Anyone???

I don't think they're a direct replacement

The saddles are way off to the posts.

Please prove me wrong.

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Re: Possible FT bridge replacement??

Post by Iceman on Fri Sep 14, 2012 6:09 pm

For the "standard" Spectrum range with a 74mm post spacing they fit the posts like a glove. I still maintain that the length of travel of the saddles looked sufficient to achieve proper intonation.

This is not over yet, Damian. I am taking a second cut at it this weekend...

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Post by Iceman on Sat Sep 15, 2012 6:45 pm

Well gentlemen if this cannot convince some of you I am out of ideas. The password is gfs_fl_1 ...

http://s1257.photobucket.com/albums/ii510/tarsava/gfs_fastloader/

"Dropped it right in" my xa1330 after presetting the saddle travel by eye to match...

http://www.westoneguitars.net/guitars/spectrum-series/spectrum-iii/

Strung it up, tuned it up and affraid BOB'S YER FREAKIN' UNCLE!!! affraid

And yes, e'en though that Spec III variant had a BMD in it the measured distance from the bottom edge of the nut to the center of the posts is a gnat's naughty bits under 3/32" (a touch over 2mm for our brothers over the pond) longer than my Spectrum FX.

I took the time to take that trem to work this week and get a precise measurement of the length of travel of the saddles on the CMM and it checks approximately 8.5mm so it should intone NO PROBLEMO... and it did. cheers

The discussion continues...


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Post by corsair on Sat Sep 15, 2012 7:03 pm

Band good job! Win, right there!

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Re: Possible FT bridge replacement??

Post by Barry on Sat Sep 15, 2012 7:25 pm

Cheers for doing the extra work Steve. Perhaps that will be sufficient "confirmation" now? Yay!

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Re: Possible FT bridge replacement??

Post by Iceman on Sun Sep 16, 2012 3:52 pm

I also ended up chancing across this lovely little number they just recently began stocking...

https://guitarfetish.3dcartstores.com/NEW-BLACK-Super-Heavy-Duty-Floyd-Rose-trem-BRASS-STEEL_p_510.html

Was looking over the site as a result of your alert notification on their ongoing clearance sale Barry, ordered one Tuesday and it arrived Friday. Makes the original model we have been discussing here look like a booger almost.

3 tapped holes for screwing down the saddle travel due to an added 3/16" of travel available, solid brass sustain block w/ all steel construction otherwise, the post receivers are rivet pressed into a crossbar with 2 screw holes for additional attachment strength to the body. Virtually feels like a small tank in hand.

The only "drawback" is it is truer to the original FR design in it uses lock blocks at the bridge so you have to cut off the brass stringer ends and insert the cut wire, so abit more involved in a restring that the Fastloader design of the other. BIG BIG plus is the straightedge design of the pivot point on the low E side of the unit. It easily will fit a narrower spacing of 72mm (like the WE1400cs I need it for) and work out to at least 76mm. In this respect it mimics the FR licensed replacement that Gotoh builds but those run into the $200+ range in price.

GuitarFetish is quickly becoming MYfetish... So Happy

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Re: Possible FT bridge replacement??

Post by Barry on Sun Sep 16, 2012 5:57 pm

Great news again!
I've been a big fan of GFS for some time now, I have yet to receive or read a bad word about either their products or service.

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Got the Bridge!

Post by orion4713111 on Tue Jun 18, 2013 9:36 pm

Hey guys,

The Floyd Rose from Guitar Fetish really does drop right in my Dimension IV like rick says. My only issue is the springs rub on the floor of the opening (see white arrows on pic below). Is it OK to take a wood chisel and remove some wood at those points? I'm an old woodshop teacher, so I got the skills to do it without trashing my guitar.

Another question: old bridge had 3 springs. New FR came with 4 springs. Is it ok to go with just 3, attached to "hooks" #1, #3, and #5? if i need to use all 4, which hooks should they be attached to? 

Thanks!
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Re: Possible FT bridge replacement??

Post by The Chad on Wed Jun 19, 2013 9:41 am

Hey Todd, just PM'd you...

What's odd is that the stock Westone sustain block is 45mm whereas the largest commercially available sustain block is only 42mm.  Obviously this leaves a deficit.  I'm going through the same thing with my amazing Dynasty.  You can have custom sustain blocks milled for you but it'll cost you!  I'd go with a 42mm block and route the back.

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sustain block 32mm?

Post by orion4713111 on Thu Jun 20, 2013 1:54 am

Crap, the sustain block on my Floyd (the one rick linked to top of this thread) is only 32mm...and I already routed out the back. Doesn't look pretty, but the springs don't drag.

32mm would explain why the sustain isn't very impressive...at least compared to the original bendmaster (45mm), right? is it a longer or heavier block that gives you more sustain? or both?

Rick, how big is the sustain block on your Floyd? Wonder if FR downsized it for some reason since you bought yours? 

Huh...just noticed that there's no "LICENSED UNDER FLOYD ROSE PATS" stamped on the body, but there is in the pic on GF. Hmmmmmmm. Wonder if mine's a "cheapo pot metal bridge"...like the GF description guy goes out of his way to say it's not.

As for the number of springs: I used 2 and adjusted the trem horizontal with the spring hook screws. only a couple minor intonation adjustments needed.

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Re: Possible FT bridge replacement??

Post by corsair on Thu Jun 20, 2013 3:04 am

I have always reckoned the sustain block acts less of a sustain type of thing and more of a mass balance for the whole bridge deal when it's all set up and doing its thing. That said, a larger, heavier piece of steel or cast iron/pot metal must have some sort of effect on the sound and longer sustain of a plucked note is likely, though I doubt that it could be picked up by ear alone!!Smile 
2 springs on a floating bridge will make for a very sensitive touch, and I guess there won't be any leaning the heel of your hand on it!! Palm muting could be interesting!!
I use 3 or 4 springs, and have the claw as tight as I can possibly go, given the limitations that my preferred string gauge allow!!

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Re: Possible FT bridge replacement??

Post by The Chad on Thu Jun 20, 2013 9:28 am

The sustain blocks come standard in either 32mm, 34mm, 37mm, or 42mm.  You have got the smallest one made.  

A smaller sustain block has less mass, hence less sustain.  The best you could hope for may be a Floyd (or copy) with a 42mm Brass block.  

If you can, I'd return it and get one with a 42mm.  If you can't, then consider selling it and buying a different one.  What makes for a good Floyd is steel saddles, steel base plate (the thicker the better), and a brass block (the more mass the better).  Pot metal doesn't sound as good, I've heard comparisons.  Pot metal is softer and doesn't give you the bottom end or "balls" that brass does.  Brass is the way to go.

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Re: Possible FT bridge replacement??

Post by orion4713111 on Thu Jun 20, 2013 10:58 am

Is there anything special about the sustain block that I can't do myself with a milling machine, tap and die set, and a drill press? If not, I could make my own.

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Re: Possible FT bridge replacement??

Post by The Chad on Thu Jun 20, 2013 11:33 am

Make your own if you can.  If you have the tools and skill.  Have a look here to see what you'll be making... CLICK YOUR MOUSE RIGHT HERE! May be more trouble to make one however.

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Re: Possible FT bridge replacement??

Post by orion4713111 on Thu Jun 20, 2013 4:20 pm

yeah, Chad...I'll probly just buy one.

some great instructional vids on the fu-tone.com website!

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Guitar Fetish customer service pathetic

Post by orion4713111 on Fri Aug 02, 2013 12:12 am

Here's the transcript of my emails with John from GF:

Me: ORDER AB-117224 Item D07 dropped right in my Westone Dimension IV (replaced Bendmaster tremolo). I am a bit disappointed with the sustain compared to the original, though. The block is only 32mm, which I've since learned is about the smallest available. That spec should have been noted in the item description. The description says, "You want sustain? Fuhgeddaboutit?", so I was expecting a bit more. Also, the item pictured on your site has "LICENSED UNDER FLOYD ROSE PATS" stamped on the body. mine does not. is that significant? Thanks, Todd


GF: Todd,  These tremolos don't have the "licensed under Floyd rose patent" stamp because the patent ran out.  Anyone can make these now.  Thanks, John


Me: ORDER# AB-117224 ITEM D07 which one of your sustain blocks fits this tremolo unit? no mention of how long your blocks are. I'd like 42mm if you have it. thanks, Todd


GF: Todd,  Unfortunately, we only sell replacement tremolo blocks for six screw strat tremolos. Thanks, John


Me: ok, what ARE the specs for this tremolo so I can go buy a block somewhere else? either that or I'll return it.


...18 hours later with no response from GF and only one day left on the return period...


Me: ok John, it's apparent you have no interest in providing any type of customer service. you've twice ignored my request for specs on this unit. all i wanted to know is what screw configuration it uses for the sustain block: import 10.5mm, mexico 10.5mm, USA2-7/32", etc.

further, i believe you misrepresented the performance of it too. The sustain really is "Fuhgeddable," which isn't surprising considering the block is one of the smallest sizes available.

i'll be returning the unit tomorrow for a full refund, and I'll be copying and pasting the transcript of this episode to the several online guitar forums of which i'm a member, including the one that led me to your site.

unhappy and disappointed, Todd

GF: [insert cricket sounds here]

I didn't feel like taking the thing back off my guitar, so i kept it on. this Guitar Fetish dude is a douche. Beware.

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Re: Possible FT bridge replacement??

Post by Westbone on Fri Aug 02, 2013 2:38 am

The trem you purchased has no relevance to the strat trem replacement  blocks they sell.

The strat trem has holes in the block for the string anchor at varying
distances ie. 'F' spaced, mexican,import ect.

The FR will have  screws holding the block to the base plate with no string anchor holes.

A easy job to make one if you have the facilities.

GFS answered your question.

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