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Post by Westbone on Sun Nov 13, 2011 7:25 am

It's getting there.. if you have a dremmel type tool, use the sanding drum bit to bring the veneer edges in on the radius. A lot easier than doing it by hand.

You'll have to use a bit of very light sanding to obtain the results your looking for with the stain.
Unfortunately there's no magic, a bit of work is needed to bring out the grain.

Those are some excellent vids. on how it's done.

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Post by corsair on Sun Nov 13, 2011 8:44 am

Thanks Damian; yes, all too aware that sanding is required now! What are your thoughts on the black underneath the green? Is the veneer thick enough to take a light sanding to get most of the black off? Ooooh, dunno about the Dremel - I tend to be a little heavy with power tools, so will quietly box on with sandpaper; I'm in no hurry, eh... In fact, this won't be finished until I get settled in Australia next year!!

I got it in May..... Shocked Laughing

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Post by Westbone on Sun Nov 13, 2011 9:22 am

What you could do, to keep it more green, is to add some black to your green obviously making it darker and then a 'almost no pressure sand' just to take off the high spots and then dye with your normal green. That'll bring out the stripe.

You'll also find that the veneer will rise(ripple effect) slightly after the first stain, so a very light sand is needed regardless.

Glue some of your offcuts to a piece of scrap wood and give it a bash. Smile

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Post by corsair on Thu Nov 17, 2011 11:46 am

I believe that's the way I shall proceed, actually.... next year! I have to box up all my stuff for shipment to the colonies, so it'll be next year before I move on to the serious sanding/staining/ finishing!!

I have got the veneer on the back of the body so a little progress made; there's a few wee spots that need re-gluing with the aid of a syringe and filling needle but all seems pretty dam good, really!

Thanks to all who are watching and lending advice; keep thinking about it and if anyone has a revelation, don't be shy!!!!

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Post by Barry on Thu Nov 17, 2011 2:03 pm

corsair wrote:I believe that's the way I shall proceed, actually.... next year! I have to box up all my stuff for shipment to the colonies, so it'll be next year before I move on to the serious sanding/staining/ finishing!!
Sheesh! I thought I took a long time to restore my Urchin! Razz
Gotta be frustrating for you mate. Kinda buggers up the rhythm and excitement and all that. Neutral

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Post by corsair on Sun Nov 20, 2011 1:05 pm

Well, lads and lasses; the back veneer is on and the guitar is now in a packing crate ready to be shipped around the world. Things turned to custard a little with some nasty wee chips coming out whilst cutting with the knife.... bugger!! However, there is to be a black burst around the edges so hopefully the repair won't be too obvious, nor will the join line...





Sheesh! I thought I took a long time to restore my Urchin!
Gotta be frustrating for you mate. Kinda buggers up the rhythm and excitement and all that.

A little, thanks Barry, and I am by nature quite impatient but this time I have to just calm down and take a chill pill; the job will get done eventually!!

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Post by anaerobe on Tue Nov 22, 2011 2:22 pm

Great progress - I don't know how you muster the patience to pack it all up and wait!

"Reason over Passion" applies here (quoted from a famous CDN politician).

Nicely done....

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Post by mortarman120gang11c on Tue Nov 22, 2011 6:26 pm

Great job thus far so i guess patience is a virtue or skill modifier in this case. Looking good.

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Post by Guest on Tue Nov 22, 2011 8:59 pm

The progress is great so far - I just looked back at the original pics - you are well on your way. If only you didn;t move so often and so far you might finish this before more project eh.

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Post by corsair on Wed Nov 23, 2011 2:11 am

Very true! Laughing

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Post by Guest on Tue Dec 20, 2011 10:09 am

This has a nice green to it:
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Post by Barry on Tue Dec 20, 2011 10:31 am

Very nicely done Uncle Mats! Even the headstock has a subtle burst.
You don't see many green guitars, of any label, so this really stands out.

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Post by corsair on Tue Dec 20, 2011 11:15 am

this is where I'd sort of like to be, but as we all know, it won't look like that at all!! It sho' is purty....

you're right about the slime burst, though; it just doesn't seem to be a popular colour - Barry's redburst Spectrum fits the same category - ... And I think both colours are just stunning!! That Urchin has a very nice veneer, too.....

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Post by mortarman120gang11c on Tue Dec 20, 2011 9:22 pm

That is the exact same model and color Urchin that I have and it looks even better in person.

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Post by Iceman on Tue Dec 20, 2011 9:32 pm

HELLO! Gosh darn that is just wonderful, Arthur. What the heck don't you have???

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Post by corsair on Fri Mar 09, 2012 7:04 am

Well gang, I've found some tint!! A discontinued line and there's red and blue as well, so I'm going to get some ....

Do you blokes want any of this stuff; it's about A$7.50 a small bottle....




Edit...

I'm a believer...



...off to buy more colours! Very Happy

Edit 2....

I shouldn't have got them; finding my self liking the red...a lot!!



So, gang... Imagine the grain picked out with black; which colour d'ya think?!?!

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Post by corsair on Tue Apr 24, 2012 8:04 am

OK, here we are having sanded the veneer to a feathered finish into the body, I've applied a little thinned black as a grain filler, sanded back and then applied a thin wash of green, sanded again and then on with a full strength coat of green. Sanding sealer yet to be applied....







Now bear in mind that this is the back, and less figured than the front but even so, I'm well pleased with progress thus far; that green is a deep, rich shade and I love it!!

I'm thinking that I may have the black edges done by a pro with an airbrush.... Thoughts?

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Post by Westbone on Tue Apr 24, 2012 8:41 am

That's coming along really nicely, the grains coming out. Wait till you get the lacquer on, WOW.

If you thinking of having the edge done by a pro. Get them to shade it in with black + green mixed to an almost black, so you get a black/green if you get my drift.
Before your paint goes on let it dry out for a good wee while. There's nothing worse than bubbles coming up through the paint. I've been there in my haste.
Here's the result of not letting it dry properly.
You get little blisters and when sanded little depressions and very, very depressed.
The edge of this one is done in a black/brown. Looks black untill you put a true black next to it.




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Post by beavis on Wed Apr 25, 2012 4:46 am

Wow that's pretty! Looks like a big salad leaf!

Top notch work there!

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Post by The Chad on Wed Apr 25, 2012 10:28 am

It's Wizard of Oz green!!! Gorgeous.

Mixture of green and black for the edges is an excellent idea.

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Post by hobster on Wed Apr 25, 2012 11:40 am

It would look wicked cool if the sides were airbrushed black. I say go for it my man, lookin good so far. I've heard of people staining after the sealer and before, i wonder which is better. I'm a painting contractor and i know sealer is important before laquer or staining so the stain is evenly finished. I may try both on some spare wood. I still have to get to my Matsumoku Hondo II project which has been sanded down and is just sitting for now, i'm pretty sure i'm gonna airbrush the sides black as well. Thats gonna be an awesome lookin guitar when you're done John!

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Post by Westbone on Wed Apr 25, 2012 2:18 pm

When we going to see the front?????All green

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Post by grogg on Thu Apr 26, 2012 2:54 pm

corsair wrote:I'm thinking that I may have the black edges done by a pro with an airbrush.... Thoughts?

Looks great. Apologies if this is teaching your grandmother to suck eggs but seems to me it depends how sharp an edge you want. If its a burst then diy. See here.

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Post by Guest on Thu Apr 26, 2012 3:16 pm

Westbone wrote:When we going to see the front?????All green

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Post by corsair on Sat Apr 28, 2012 8:12 pm

Now.





That's a good link, Grogg... I shall have a crack at that, I think... IF I get get a paint mixed for me! As Damian pointed out, black mixed with some dark green is probably most advisable!!

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Post by grogg on Sun Apr 29, 2012 9:44 am

That looks great John, especially considering the wreck you started with.

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Post by Westbone on Sun Apr 29, 2012 11:06 am

Looking slimey, stripey and of course green. Smile
Taking shape and looking effective.
Wait 'till the lacquer goes on. Taliking of lacquer you also can add a hint of green to a few coats. Only a few drops.

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Post by Guest on Sun Apr 29, 2012 4:17 pm

Definatelty show a picture when yuo are done to the previous owner so they can see what they missed out on. It's looking great. I think the dark green/black mix will look good around the edges, just try not to get too much over the top - you want that veneer to be seen.

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Post by Westbone on Sun Apr 29, 2012 5:20 pm

A lot of car paint suppliers will sell you a 250ml. 'tester' for about a fiver. More than enough to do a burst.
You'll have to use a spray gun though + thinners. Or as you mentioned get a pro shop to do it. Motorcycle tank artist have all the right gear and is a simple job for them. Shouldn't cost much at all..

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Post by grogg on Sun Apr 29, 2012 5:46 pm

I like the idea of doing this:-
"Metallic looking edges are made by applying a silver burst around the body, then painting the entire body in the translucent color of choice."
Seems in keeping with the guitar shape..

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Post by Guest on Sun Apr 29, 2012 5:49 pm

A little darker, slightly blueish tint is what I'm thinking for the 350. But this is close

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Post by corsair on Sun Jun 03, 2012 10:19 pm

Right, I outsourced the spraying of the burst because I don't have the skills, gear or inclination, so an airbrush artist did it for me.... there's dark green pearl in that black!!





Now the applying of the clear can begin...

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Post by Guest on Sun Jun 03, 2012 10:31 pm

Great work sir - comparing this to what you started with is a great achievment. I love the Green, I love the burst. Looking Great!

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Post by Iceman on Sun Jun 03, 2012 10:32 pm

Zounds!! Drool!

That there is right purty!! Excited Drool

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Post by Guest on Sun Jun 03, 2012 10:35 pm

For the clear are you doing Poly? Laquer?

For my projects that you have seen on here I have used Poly with great success, but, I think for the 350 I'm working on, I'm going to to try laquer. if you are doing laquer, please be detailed in your spraying technique and the sand paper grits you use - thanks

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Post by Barry on Sun Jun 03, 2012 11:22 pm

Almost makes me want to redo mine.
I said, "almost"!
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Post by Guest on Sun Jun 03, 2012 11:28 pm

Barry wrote:Almost makes me want to redo mine.
I said, "almost"!
Great stuff John! Dance 1


When in doubt, redo the damned thing eh

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Post by Barry on Sun Jun 03, 2012 11:49 pm

No way! Sweated blood last time.
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Post by corsair on Mon Jun 04, 2012 1:34 am

sarcaster wrote:For the clear are you doing Poly? Laquer?

Haven't decided yet... leaning towards a 2 pack poly, or a marine poly...

If I do use lacquer, I'll certainly keep a log!!

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Post by Westbone on Mon Jun 04, 2012 4:37 am

It's looking very nice indeedy Very Happy

2 pack is much harder wearing than cellulose/acrylic.
Any auto spray shop use it daily.

2K(pack) is highly poisonous. I wouldn't attempt it without the proper equipment.

The body has come out really good, wait 'till you get that lacquer on cyclops

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Post by corsair on Mon Jun 04, 2012 4:56 am

Thanks, Damian; that's what the paint gurus are telling me as well....

Might have a tilt with a marine polyurethane??

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Post by Westbone on Mon Jun 04, 2012 5:37 am

Don't know about the marine gear.

Which paint did they use on the burst?

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Post by Westbone on Mon Jun 04, 2012 5:55 am

Kopped this the other day.
Might follow suit if I can find the time, depends.




Man these pups scream in all the right ways.
Think these style guitars look fantastic with the figured veneer.


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Post by hoax on Mon Jun 04, 2012 6:00 am


Really nice work John...

and Damian - Your Urchin looks a bit too nice to refinish. I only refinish chewed up guitars, particularly when I have a doubler in the same colour.

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Post by Westbone on Mon Jun 04, 2012 6:04 am

Yeah but it's just 'black'

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Post by hoax on Mon Jun 04, 2012 6:19 am

Westbone wrote:Yeah but it's just 'black'

I know what you are saying. I recently refinished 2 black Westbury Standards. They were chewed up, I already have a black one and........ they were.... well.... just black.

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Post by Westbone on Mon Jun 04, 2012 6:30 am

Yes corsair's is much more 'interesting'
Do like the green burst.
The red one, GAS man's is very nice too.

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Post by hoax on Mon Jun 04, 2012 6:34 am


Damian

What happened to "Superthunder" - The kick ass, veneered, zebra totin' rock monster? Not finished yet?

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Post by corsair on Mon Jun 04, 2012 8:00 am

Paint used on the burst was just a black enamel, with some dark green pearl thrown in. The guy who did it has been commissioned in the past to do airbrush pictures for the rugby world cup, and they were sensational, so doing this sort of thing isn't exactly a challenge!

I'll tell you, these things just beg to be strongly finished; black doesn't do them justice, I reckon; I was tempted to do a 2 tint burst, with a black border, but figured I should stop before it got TOO busy!

I'm going to have a crack at a twin neck next, and that's going to have a highly figured top and a multicolour tint...

Thanks all....

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Post by Westbone on Mon Jun 04, 2012 9:34 am

I'd make sure that enamel is compatible to whatever clear your putting on.

Not a good idea to mix and match different types of paint.

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Post by Barry on Mon Jun 04, 2012 10:17 am

corsair wrote:...I'll tell you, these things just beg to be strongly finished; black doesn't do them justice, I reckon...
I think you're right John. They are an extraordinarily unusual shape and Westbone's right too, just plain black really doesn't do anything to enhance the thing.

That said, mine was originally black as well (and buggered up on top of it mind) and the urge to brighten it up was very strong, so I know where youse guyz iz coming from. Here's mine for comparison. The colour reads as white in these pix, but the true colour is "butter cream", a little bit warmer.



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