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Post by hobster on Sun Aug 14, 2011 8:06 pm

As you might know, i am a big fan of Hondo ii Professional series made at the Tokai factory. I've brought them up a few times around here, i have a couple and love them. All i want now is one of the Fender Lead copies. Anyway, i stumbled across this neck thru which is a real beauty and reminds me of my Memphis ghost. Gorgeous wood grains on the back. I'm pretty sure its Korean, but hey thats o.k. It always amuses me how so many people advertise Hondos as Japanese even though most are plywood crap and probably 95% are Korean made. The guys asking too much but i dig this guitar! Opinions?

http://cgi.ebay.com/Vintage-HONDO-II-Neck-Thru-Electric-Guitar-Case-/360386354842?_trksid=p5197.m7&_trkparms=algo%3DLVI%26itu%3DUCI%26otn%3D4%26po%3DLVI%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D2065891166057905768

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Post by Iceman on Sun Aug 14, 2011 8:18 pm

Yeah he certainly is asking lots more than I would pay. Lots more.

Seems to be honest about condition at least... even mentions the "non-original" case has a broken latch.

We all do have weaknesses for certain things though I suppose. I say go for it if it trips your trigger that much.

$50.00 to ship? Getting a little on the side there too, huh. He strikes me as being only about the $$. Good luck talking him into the vicinity of reasonable -ness.

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Post by hobster on Sun Aug 14, 2011 8:37 pm

Actually Ice i'm not real interested in buying it, i was just curious as to what you all think of the quality of this here axe. You can find the Professional series for cheap if you look hard enough (although this is not one). I've never seen a neck thru Hondo. She looks pretty well made, dont ya think?
By the way, here is a link to one of my Hondo ii Pros just for kicks.

http://www.matsumoku.org/ggboard/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=6589

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Post by Warrn on Sun Aug 14, 2011 8:46 pm

Wow, that is a gorgeous guitar. And although the price is high for a Hondo, compare it to any similar guitar on the market today, eh? Smile

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Post by hoax on Mon Aug 15, 2011 4:08 pm


That is a nice guitar. I had a Hondo professional which was Matsumoku as it had original MMK 45's. I sold it and now have two set neck Hondo Les Pauls. One I think is Korean and one Japanese. They are both extremely heavy, solid wood (not ply) and very well put together.

Both of my Les Paul's have Dimarzios and Grovers.

Not all Hondos are tat and I am with you Hobster, they did sell some nice instruments.

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Re: What do you guys think of this?

Post by hobster on Mon Aug 15, 2011 8:58 pm

hoax wrote:
That is a nice guitar. I had a Hondo professional which was Matsumoku as it had original MMK 45's. I sold it and now have two set neck Hondo Les Pauls. One I think is Korean and one Japanese. They are both extremely heavy, solid wood (not ply) and very well put together.

Both of my Les Paul's have Dimarzios and Grovers.

Not all Hondos are tat and I am with you Hobster, they did sell some nice instruments.

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Nice to see another hondo fan hoax. Very Happy Yeah, they did make some at Matsumoku as well, although they seem harder to find. If Uncle Matt made them they can't be too bad,right? cheers

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Post by anaerobe on Sat Aug 20, 2011 10:21 pm

Cool guitar! Me likee, but I'm a sucker for those double wing styled axes. The body wood might be ash...

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Re: What do you guys think of this?

Post by hoax on Sun Aug 21, 2011 6:08 am


I have another one coming next week. It is a Hondo professional double cut with set neck, ash body and I believe MMK 45's. Needs a little tidy up,but I will fully assess it when it arrives.
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Re: What do you guys think of this?

Post by Westbone on Sun Aug 21, 2011 9:57 am

Hondo did make some fine guitars and some crap as well.
Here's my two Japan made one's. dimarzio pups, grover machine heads.








Some of their pups, like on the H 76 Strat. model sound great. the ones with the metal back plate.

Do like that one on ebay, bit pricey though.

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Post by hoax on Sun Aug 21, 2011 11:35 am


Hey Damian

Love the "Fatboy" or should I say heavy boned adolescent!!. That is a really unusual colour. I used to have a blonde one. I take it that this is a recent score for you? Tell us the story.

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Re: What do you guys think of this?

Post by hobster on Sun Aug 21, 2011 7:13 pm

hoax wrote:
I have another one coming next week. It is a Hondo professional double cut with set neck, ash body and I believe MMK 45's. Needs a little tidy up,but I will fully assess it when it arrives.
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You should post some pics when it arrives, i'd love to check it out!
Great guitars Westbone, they seem to be in excellent shape. I like the 937 alot, i've heard nothing but good things about them. Very Happy

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Post by The Chad on Mon Aug 22, 2011 12:02 pm

You see a lot of Hondo's cheap on Ebay, I've always stayed away because I didn't know much about them. Might be nice to get a cheap Hondo LP and mod it for some fun. Something I wouldn't usually do as I'm a purist, but these do seem a dime a dozen!

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Re: What do you guys think of this?

Post by hobster on Mon Aug 22, 2011 12:45 pm

Great idea Chad, just remember most are plywood crap. I actually just won a beater Hondo ii Pro last night for less than $60, it should be a fun project! Very Happy To my knowledge, the Professional series was made at Tokai, Matsumoku and other Japanese factories. The 935 series is also Japanese made and great quality, and i've been told the Fame series is pretty good also. The majority of the ones advertised as Japanese made are actually Korean, i think people just assume or feel its better marketing. There are some great deals on great guitars if you know what to look for.

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Post by The Chad on Mon Aug 22, 2011 1:22 pm

So the Professional series is the one to look for, eh? Good to know, thanks! I'd like to have an LP style singlecut, don't have one yet. But I want one that I won't feel bad about customizing. You know what I mean!

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Re: What do you guys think of this?

Post by Westbone on Mon Aug 22, 2011 5:59 pm

One for you hobster, don't know where this guy gets the shipping quotes from, all over the place. Think he makes them up. Way over the top for shipping to the UK, otherwise I would have been a tad interested.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/HONDO-II-PRO-GUITAR-JAPAN-LEAD-2-H1010-TOKIA-NR-/220838633992?pt=Guitar&hash=item336b022208

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Re: What do you guys think of this?

Post by hobster on Mon Aug 22, 2011 9:26 pm

Yep thats the one. I'll get my hands on one of those Lead 2 copies one day! A sunburst one i was watching on ebay went for $210 with shipping but it was a bit beat up and unoriginal so i'll be patient and things should work out. Very Happy
Dig the $234 shipping cost by the way. Shocked

Edit: O.K, just found the same one on USA ebay w/$25 shipping. If i can convince the wife i might go for it.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/HONDO-II-PRO-GUITAR-JAPAN-LEAD-2-H1010-TOKIA-NR-/220838633992?pt=Guitar&hash=item336b022208

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Re: What do you guys think of this?

Post by DuoFuzz on Tue Aug 23, 2011 11:51 am

Hi Hobster,

I've actually got one of these Hondo H1052B Lead II copies and I'm in the process of rebuilding it.

I found mine in a local market for 45 but it was in bad shape. All the hardware had rusted, the pickup leads snapped off at the coils and the neck needed replacing because the truss rod locked solid. I'm not sure I can still call it a Hondo, the only original parts left are the body, the pots, and one of the switches!

I hope to get it finished soon but are some pics of it at the moment.



The body is made from 10 planks of wood and faced front and back with two ply veneer. This guitar was originally black but the veneer is probably used to improve the look of the sunburst finish.

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Re: What do you guys think of this?

Post by hobster on Tue Aug 23, 2011 9:42 pm

Pretty cool Dan, thanks for the shot of the wood. Thats interesting, i didn't know they had a veneer, it was probably standard but mostly for the burst like you said. I know pressing planks together was pretty popular, my Concord SX has quite a few layers. Sounds like that guitar had a rough ride, glad she is being brought back to life. Enjoy the project! Very Happy

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Re: What do you guys think of this?

Post by Westbone on Fri Aug 26, 2011 4:51 am

The more I look at Hondo Lead II models, the more they look like Mats made guitars.
Like the truss rod adjustment, similar to the early Concords, necks with glued on fingerboards, no skunk stripe.
Mats did make a few for Hondo around that time in the Professional range.
The method of gluing multi pieces of timber and facing with a veneer/ply was a method of using up the offcuts. Hence Hondos were on the cheaper end.
Just a thought.

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Post by Westbone on Fri Aug 26, 2011 8:04 am

Duo Fuzz,
Do you still have the original Hondo pups, could you post a piccy of the bottom of them. Cheers.

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Re: What do you guys think of this?

Post by hobster on Fri Aug 26, 2011 9:37 pm

Westbone wrote:The more I look at Hondo Lead II models, the more they look like Mats made guitars.
Like the truss rod adjustment, similar to the early Concords, necks with glued on fingerboards, no skunk stripe.
Mats did make a few for Hondo around that time in the Professional range.
The method of gluing multi pieces of timber and facing with a veneer/ply was a method of using up the offcuts. Hence Hondos were on the cheaper end.
Just a thought.

Hey Westbone,
I'm pretty sure all of the lead II models are Tokai made. I know Hondo ii Pro models were made at different factories in Japan and they contained DiMarzios, Gotos (early Gotohs) and good ol MMks. All of the p-bass and Lead II copies i've seen have the Tokai routing and stamps. Tokai guitars have a unique stamp at the butt of the neck and a matching number in the neck pocket. Hey D fuzz i know your neck is gone but i'll bet there is a stamp in the neck pocket (unless its been stripped). Tokai guitars also have had the same router forever so the routing is also unique and pretty darn smooth also. Check it out:




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Post by DuoFuzz on Sat Aug 27, 2011 3:02 pm

I got some pics of the old pickups that came with the Hondo, I guess they are the original one's?



The leads on these things aren't very well thought out and way to fragile. They pass straight through the base plate and are directly soldered onto the hair thin coil wire, no eyelets, not even a knot in the leads to act as a strain relief! The neck pickup leads have fell off so no meter reading for that one but the bridge has an output of 9.23k, hot for a single coil!

I also checked the old neck for any markings but found nothing, same with the body. I've since added 3mm of veneer to the neck pocket to bring the height of the neck up, same measurements as a normal Fender bolt neck set up. As it was, the fretboard was barely above the surface of the scratchplate, making the bridge saddles bottom out.

DAN.

(P.S. I think I might post my own thread for this soon. I wasn't going to bother due to the fact it's essentially a new build, but I have been taking a few snaps along the way. So instead of filling up someone else's thread with it I'll start my own.)

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Post by Westbone on Sat Aug 27, 2011 5:19 pm

Here's the one's that came out of a 12 string Hondo.
Reading 9.7...9.3...9.0
Have no idea what they are but they're bloody hot.






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Post by DuoFuzz on Sat Aug 27, 2011 6:55 pm

They seem like the real deal, slug magnets, fibre top and bottom plates, and proper terminals for the lead to coil hook ups. Not the steel slug and bar magnet construction on mine!

Believe it or not I've got some even hotter pickups lined up for the Hondo. A few years back when I got my Thunder 1-A, it came with single coils screwed to the original pickup rings! (Photo's HERE)

At the time, they were banished to the spares box, but when I started on the Hondo I knew I'd need something to replace the damaged pickups it had. Closer inspection on these spare pickups has revealed DiMarzio covers but nothing on the coils themselves. A recent post on this forum (HERE) and some googling the 'net leads me to think I might have a pair of HS-1 (DP 115) double coil hum-cancelling pickups. Whatever they are they have an output of 13.9k for the neck, and 14.4k on the bridge!!! Should be interesting.......

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Post by hobster on Sat Aug 27, 2011 11:41 pm

That is kinda strange D Fuzz, i thought for sure you'd have a stamp in there. Shocked I was wrong about the neck pocket, i guess they stamped the pickup cavity instead. Maybe they made them somewhere else also. My P bass copy has the same headstock as the Lead II copies and i LOVE the neck on it! Rockin, here are a few pics:





I'll post some pictures on the project i'm getting soon, see where that sucker is made. By the way, the neck thru i started this thread with is no longer BIN and being bidded on,lets see where she ends up.

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Post by hobster on Sat Aug 27, 2011 11:42 pm

I just realized how large the pictures are, sorry about that, i thought i shrunk them. Neutral

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Post by hobster on Tue Aug 30, 2011 11:27 pm

Well, i got my Hondo pro II project guitar today and its in pretty good shape. Smile Its a LP copy and i thought it was a Tokai because of the neck plate, until i removed the pickups and found these! cheers



I was even happier when each pickup read a little over 10 ohms on the meter and weren't dead. They were not connected to the rest of the electronics which seem to be original. The guitar was stripped and refinished horribly by a previous owner who just brushed laquer on it Mad and even covered the pickups with it. Shocked Any advice on how to clean these would be greatly appreciated. Very Happy



I guess he removed the pickups to put the lame finish on it. It seems to originally have been a white guitar. All mahogany body and neck, a little beaten up but its all there.



Its only missing the nut and input jack, so it should be an easy project except for sanding/applying a new finish. The neck looks great and the frets are in excellent shape. Its also missing a saddle and screw on the bridge, anyone know if these are easy to find?





Here is a close up of one of the pots if it looks familiar to anyone.



I'm pretty happy about this one, it should be fun! bounce Looks like i might have a Matt on my hands.


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Post by hoax on Wed Aug 31, 2011 7:36 am

That is a copy of a Gibson "The Paul"

I have two set neck Vantage versions known as Vantage Ghosts also made by Matsumoku with MMK 45's. Just about my favourites in my whole collection. Absolutely fantastic guitars.

Great score - You will love it!!

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Post by Barry on Wed Aug 31, 2011 10:35 am

Nice detective work there hobster! With a little TLC and patience she'll be great again. Smile

As for cleaning the pups, that's a bit tricky since you are not sure what's on there. You say "lacquer" but it could be urethane, varnish, shellac, etc.
I'd stay away from chemical stripping as it would likely eat the plastic too, and potentially damage the windings! The safest route, I think, is to treat the pups the same as you would when restoring the guitar finish...progressive fine sanding followed by a light buffing with polishing compound.

Good luck with the resto!

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Re: What do you guys think of this?

Post by hobster on Wed Aug 31, 2011 11:35 am

Thanks guys, i'm looking forward to this project later in the winter when i have more time. Great advice Barry, i'm a little afraid to use any chemicals so i'll do what you suggested. I checked the MMKs again and one reads 11.6 and the other about 10.7 so i'm pretty sure i know which is the neck/bridge pickup.
By the way Hoax, i had a The Paul in high school i got from my neighbor for a couple of hundred bucks. Wish i had kept that one! I traded it for a Charvel in the late 80's, ya know, it was the metal years. Wink

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Post by Westbone on Wed Aug 31, 2011 12:32 pm

The lacquer looks like brush on. I've used a blunted stanley blade with much care with good results.


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Re: What do you guys think of this?

Post by The Chad on Wed Aug 31, 2011 2:05 pm

I had that laquer all over my FX's fretboard, and I do mean ALL OVER. It was caked on thick completely covering the rosewood. I used fingernail polish remover and steel wool, worked a treat. Never tried it on plastic, however, may discolor it. After you're done scraping the plastic, use a polishing compound and rub them good. I did this with my FX also, restored the color and made it nice and smooth.

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Post by Westbone on Wed Aug 31, 2011 2:11 pm

Fingernail polish remover, Acetone, will melt the plastic, rapidly and total the pup windings.

ACETONE.....KEEP WELL AWAY FROM PICKUPS


Acetone is also used to stick binding to a guitar. It melts the plastic to the wood.

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Post by Barry on Wed Aug 31, 2011 10:11 pm

What Westbone said!

Beat me to it! Razz

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Post by The Chad on Thu Sep 01, 2011 9:28 am

Yeah everybody, so like I way saying... don't use acetone! Laughing

That polishing compound really works however, made my pup's plastic look new again. Also cleaned my pup poles very well. Pretty cool. Cool

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Post by anaerobe on Thu Sep 01, 2011 9:49 am

Great... happy to hear that. What is the brand and grit size, etc on the stuff you used?? Missed this within this thread.

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Re: What do you guys think of this?

Post by hobster on Thu Sep 01, 2011 11:40 am

Just to let you guys know the neck thru that started this thread just went for a little under $400 bucks. Very reasonable for a beautiful guitar. This thread is a little random, maybe this should be renamed the Hondo thread Very Happy
Thanks again for the advice on removing the finish on the pickups.

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Post by anaerobe on Thu Sep 01, 2011 11:50 am

Hondo thread.... that might be misinterpreted for the old John Wayne western. LOL

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Post by Westbone on Thu Sep 01, 2011 5:23 pm

Somebody got a really nice guitar for a decent price. Smile

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Post by jk_lxndr on Sun Apr 29, 2012 7:54 am

Hobster!...

Where did you find your Hondo II because i've been trying to get one like it for years in the uk and never been able to find one?

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Post by mortarman120gang11c on Sun Apr 29, 2012 4:24 pm

Well for the Hondo fans here is a nice one from one of my fellow Electra forum members. Ozark has great stuff and this one is no exception. Nice quality if anyone is interested.
http://www.rivercityamps.com/electraforum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=6416
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Re: What do you guys think of this?

Post by Sgt. Vimes on Sun Apr 29, 2012 4:41 pm

Just gotta love that look.
I also have a thing for the hondo II guitars, some real beauties out there.
I'm waiting for delivery of this lil fella
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/261005615102?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649

needs some work obviously....but should scrub up ok

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Post by Westbone on Sun Apr 29, 2012 5:30 pm

SD Curlee Hondo....
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/170833492638?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1586.l2649

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Re: What do you guys think of this?

Post by hobster on Sun Apr 29, 2012 11:41 pm

jk_lxndr wrote:Hobster!...

Where did you find your Hondo II because i've been trying to get one like it for years in the uk and never been able to find one?

I got that one on ebay (USA) as a project (which i still need to finish) and got a little lucky. Didn't expect it to be Matsumoku made, most were Tokai. They pop up often on ebay over here, i own 4 Hondo II pro's and i really love them all. I hope you can find one over there, good luck!

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Post by jk_lxndr on Mon Apr 30, 2012 7:54 am

What kind of price do you pay for one over there? I really want another one so you'll have to keep me updated if you see one on ebay!

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Post by hobster on Mon Apr 30, 2012 11:08 am

jk_lxndr wrote:What kind of price do you pay for one over there? I really want another one so you'll have to keep me updated if you see one on ebay!

It was less than $100 but it was also pretty beat up. They rarely exceed $200-250 for any Hondo II and some are worth that and alot more imho. If i see another i'll pm you and give you a heads up. Very Happy

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Post by hobster on Mon Apr 30, 2012 11:11 am

mortarman120gang11c wrote:Well for the Hondo fans here is a nice one from one of my fellow Electra forum members. Ozark has great stuff and this one is no exception. Nice quality if anyone is interested.
http://www.rivercityamps.com/electraforum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=6416
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Awesome guitar, cool thread MM. I just kept getting distrated by the "bump" photo though. Wink

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Post by Westbone on Mon Apr 30, 2012 11:43 am

That's a class Hondo.

Picked this up awhile back. Seems to be like hobsters one. Same markings on bottom of tailpiece/bridge and pups.






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Post by hoax on Mon Apr 30, 2012 12:36 pm

Oh Bugger - If we are back to the Hondo Forum again, here is one I found in a case at Westbone's house while he was out. It is set neck, Dimarzios and looks a lot like Barry's Vantage.



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Post by jk_lxndr on Mon Apr 30, 2012 12:59 pm

Here's my Hondo II professional. I'm not sure of the model name or number but I'm pretty sure its the same as hobsters and westbone's.






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