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Post by hoax on Tue Oct 18, 2011 3:45 pm


I remember the Jap guitar explosion of the Seventies 'cause I was there. We had bolt on neck Les Pauls by Columbus, Antoria, Csl, Avon, Grant, Saxon, Arbiter, Shaftesbury, Kimbara etc, and they were usually, but not always crap. (In most cases they did need a set up and pick up swap) We lusted after Real Gibsons and Fenders.

Now, I search Ebay and the like for the very items that caused me dissatisfaction all those years ago

We had teenage girlfriends but lusted after our mate's mothers.

Now, I search Ebay and the like for "teenage girl friend" - Oops only joking!!

In the Seventies, I knew a quality guitar because it weighed a ton.

Now, some of the nicest guitars I own are pretty damn featherweight.

In the Seventies - I knew what was what.

Now I know Jack Sh*t (just ask my 3 boys!!)

So - Am I getting old?

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Re: Getting Old

Post by DuoFuzz on Tue Oct 18, 2011 4:52 pm

Yes Laughing

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Re: Getting Old

Post by hoax on Tue Oct 18, 2011 5:10 pm

DuoFuzz wrote:Yes Laughing

Cheers Dan

I was pretty much asking for that. You quickly homed in on the rhetorical nature of the question didn't you? - You young upstart!!

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Post by hoax on Tue Oct 18, 2011 5:27 pm

Here is another one for you.

In the seventies you had to have a Marshall, Sound City, Orange, Laney, Hiwatt valve amp of at the very least 50 watts output. Guitar pickups were so weak that you could not possibly overdrive the amps in your bedroom. So, when you tried to do Led Zep or Deep Purple, unless you had a fuzz box, you sounded like Hank Marvin on acid. This is in the days before master volume and overdrive features.

Now I have a 5 watt valve amp which is modded so that I get full overload regardless of volume. If anyone was stupid enough to ask for random notes to be played at high volume in public, i would now mike it up.

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Post by corsair on Tue Oct 18, 2011 6:15 pm

Yes... grumpy old men!! I like that... the yoof of today can all f'cough!! Laughing Laughing

I know the feeling oh-so-well; here I have a little 4 watt, chinese built s/s amp, with FX loop and modelling features and a Boss ME3 which pretty much covers anything I want to do. At home, I have a full PA rig, with 100W combo amps with 4 x 12 cabs plugged into 'em, and they're miked up as well.

Why, then, do I look longingly at trade pages in magazines with the new Oranges, Soldanos and H&Ks - never was a Marshall boy!! -??

I have 18 guitars, all bar 4 Japanese made - 2 x Korean and 1 x American and 1 x New Zealand - ; I can only play one bloody thing at a time, so why, then, do I look adoringly at yet more instruments which whisk me back to my youth, when I couldn't really afford "real" gear, and had to "make do" with whatever scabby kit the NZ retailers had on their shelves?

We are a strange group of people.... even Barry. Very Happy

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Post by hoax on Tue Oct 18, 2011 6:19 pm

None more so than Barry!!

lol!

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Post by corsair on Tue Oct 18, 2011 6:26 pm

I would never say that....

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Re: Getting Old

Post by hoax on Tue Oct 18, 2011 6:38 pm


Neither grumpiness nor weirdness respect any boundaries of a man made, geographical or political nature. I feel that, in some strange way, this is exactly the metaphorical glue that binds this little community together.

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Re: Getting Old

Post by Barry on Tue Oct 18, 2011 6:48 pm

corsair wrote:We are a strange group of people.... even Barry. Very Happy
hoax wrote:None more so than Barry!!
F*cough* ('Scuze me. Allergies.)
The 70's?!?!? I have undies older than that! Rolling Eyes
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Post by norfolkngood on Tue Oct 18, 2011 6:50 pm

Hell no!

I started in the mid 70s with a no-name Jap-crap (because they were) acoustic box that my mum got with her Embassy coupons. I now feel incredibly guilty that my mum smoked herself half to death so that I could learn guitar.

My old man had a mate who played in a jazz combo. He had an old Burns Vistasonic (with the Tri-sonic P/ups that Brian May used in his Red Special) that I bought to learn electric. The neck was twisted and the frets worn down but I knew no better!

Plugged into a Wem Dominator, I caused the neighbours many a sleepless night. All sold to put a deposit on a house in the early 80s. I didn't give up, just had a long lay-off!

Fast forward about 30 years and I'm 50-odd going on 18. My lads despair of their dad, few quid in the bank so I can afford my hobbies. Marshall FX = everything I want in a little amp, play through headphones at night.

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Re: Getting Old

Post by hoax on Tue Oct 18, 2011 6:52 pm

Barry wrote:
corsair wrote:We are a strange group of people.... even Barry. Very Happy
hoax wrote:None more so than Barry!!
F*cough* ('Scuze me. Allergies.)
The 70's?!?!? I have undies older than that! Rolling Eyes
Amateur. Razz

Bloody Hell - Old Father Weird has just woken up!! cheers

Nice one Barry !!

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Re: Getting Old

Post by DuoFuzz on Tue Oct 18, 2011 8:19 pm

Thanks to my dads lasting influence, I've always felt older than I actually am!

He used sit me and my brother down and force us to listen to specific guitar parts within old rock & roll, blues, country and rock LP's to see if we could learn the tune and understand what we were hearing. I still remember him telling us things like "thats just a Strat straight into a valve amp, you'll never get that from a fancy distortion pedal..."

To this day I'm still listening to the same sort of music my dad loved, there is a few modern rock bands I'm into but just like him, I have no idea who or what is in the music charts these days. Pop, dance, rap and R&B (which has nothing to do with rhythm or blues!) just seems like a collosal waste of air time to me. No

I actually own some old guitars from Jedson, Audition, Avon and Satellite, all crafted from the finest plywood trees. I even have a 70's solid state Sound City 5 watt amp and a load of old dusty FX pedals that only work a three day week!

I'm off to sit in my rocking chair and shake my fist and shout at the X Factor, "kids today, they don't know they've been born, back in my day......"

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Re: Getting Old

Post by Iceman on Tue Oct 18, 2011 9:20 pm

The 70's??? You talkin' the Bay City Rollers, Crocodile Rock and Thunder Island??

I was not much more than a punk @$$ kid back then. Let me know when you are steppin' into the 80's and I might have something for y'all.

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Post by Barry on Tue Oct 18, 2011 9:50 pm

DuoFuzz wrote:...I have no idea who or what is in the music charts these days...just seems like a collosal waste of air time to me...I'm off to sit in my rocking chair and shake my fist and shout at the X Factor...
A big +1!

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Post by Warrn on Tue Oct 18, 2011 10:21 pm

I turned 23 last week. I'm all ears for stories from way back when! Laughing I will agree that I just ignore modern radio, though.

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Post by hobster on Tue Oct 18, 2011 10:51 pm

Iceman wrote:The 70's??? You talkin' the Bay City Rollers, Crocodile Rock and Thunder Island??

I was not much more than a punk @$$ kid back then. Let me know when you are steppin' into the 80's and I might have something for y'all.

Yup, the 80's were our time indeed. I like this thread, you guys are making me feel young for once! Razz Except Warn of course.

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Re: Getting Old

Post by Guest on Wed Oct 19, 2011 8:20 am

80's was my start with an 84 Strat and a Roland JC-20 which I worked very hard to get the money for. Added a Boss OD and an Ibanez twin cam chorus and boy, did I believe I really I played and sounded just like Alex Lifeson. That is until a few years ago when I converted my old 4 track recording to MP3s and heard how bad I sounded. Wow did I use too much chorus back then - and realized how old am I'm getting.

But even though I'm older, I'm more comfortable, which means I can get the guitars I couldn't afford back then. Jut not all at once Smile

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Post by Iceman on Wed Oct 19, 2011 3:06 pm

I'm certain you lost that soul you remember when you converted it from analog to digital..... our that should be your story and you're sticking to it!! Laughing Laughing

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Post by Westbone on Thu Oct 20, 2011 1:39 am

Late 60's, 70's, 80's, 90's,0's. Still going, must have good batteries. After years of abuse. Laughing

Always gets me when my son gets in my car and wants to change the radio. Some of the crap they listen to. I hate rap.

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Post by hobster on Thu Oct 20, 2011 12:12 pm

Westbone wrote:Late 60's, 70's, 80's, 90's,0's. Still going, must have good batteries. After years of abuse. Laughing

Always gets me when my son gets in my car and wants to change the radio. Some of the crap they listen to. I hate rap.

lol! Yeah, my boy is 12 and all him and his friends listen to is rap. Same with most 20 somethings, maybe the 80's were the last generation of rockers. When i was that age all i listened to was AC/DC and Zeppelin.

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Post by Iceman on Thu Oct 20, 2011 12:53 pm

...I dunno, some of the old skool stuff, Run DMC and the like, wasn't the same kinda trash they rhyme today.

When it became cool to disrespect women and shoot cops is where they lost me...

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Post by corsair on Thu Oct 20, 2011 2:36 pm

I can remember Grandmaster Flash giving us "The Message" and thinking that it was a fine piece of music/social commentary; still is, really! Truly edgy stuff, not the faux shock/horror that seems to assault my ears under the banner of "rap" these days.... I thought Mathers was alright, too.....

The "genre" I have trouble with is death metal, or black metal; if I can't hear the lyrics, how can I understand the song?!

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Post by colt933 on Thu Oct 20, 2011 4:46 pm

I continue to take weekly guitar lessons. My instructor is only two years younger than me so we grew up on the same stuff. Many of his teenage students are enamored with the hair metal of the '80s. That stuff is hard to play. Those guys were good.

Others are into the nu-metal. While I'm not really into the cookie monster vocals, and the drop-B tunings, I do respect their musicianship.

You know why Slash got the (undeserved) guitar god reputation? Because in a decade of shredders he was a blues player. He sounded different.

In the '90s the musicianship seemed to go out the window. But shred is back. While I can't really do it, it is quite difficult, and I respect it.

Having said that - I played through various small solid state amps in the '80s and '90s. But today I have a 100 watt three-channel dual rectifier with a 4x12 recto cabinet.

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Post by Guest on Thu Oct 20, 2011 4:48 pm

colt933 wrote:Icookie monster vocals.

Ha - great way to describe that particular vocal style Smile

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Post by colt933 on Thu Oct 20, 2011 4:51 pm

sarcaster wrote:
colt933 wrote:Icookie monster vocals.

Ha - great way to describe that particular vocal style Smile

They do sound like cookie monster!

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