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Post by colt933 on Thu Oct 20, 2011 4:51 pm

sarcaster wrote:
colt933 wrote:Icookie monster vocals.

Ha - great way to describe that particular vocal style Smile

They do sound like cookie monster!

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Post by Barry on Thu Oct 20, 2011 5:39 pm

Interesting to note that at the music studio where my son takes lessons (and I emcee concerts twice a year) the majority of guitar players are happily playing 60's & 70's classic rock stuff, ZZ top, and even (lord help me) Ozzie Osbourne! Never hear any head banging or shredding going on, and I think that's simply 'cuz there was actual musicality there.

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Post by corsair on Thu Oct 20, 2011 6:29 pm

There's nothing wrong with shredding... as long as it's tasteful and fits the song/tune. and it's as hard as all hell to do well, consistently. I listen to Paul Gilbert a bit, because he seems to be a down to earth sort of fellow with a sense of humour, but my goodness, can he play that guitar....I can only dream of playing that fast, that accurately with that sort of musicality...

I watched a docco on Duane Eddy last night ... now there was an innovator, and the buggers still touring!! Go, you good thing!! I didn't realise until last night that the first 2 bars of Peter Gunn were played using the wang bar; always thought it was Drop D.... Rolling Eyes

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Post by hobster on Thu Oct 20, 2011 9:29 pm

Barry wrote:Interesting to note that at the music studio where my son takes lessons (and I emcee concerts twice a year) the majority of guitar players are happily playing 60's & 70's classic rock stuff, ZZ top, and even (lord help me) Ozzie Osbourne! Never hear any head banging or shredding going on, and I think that's simply 'cuz there was actual musicality there.

Thats OZZY Very Happy . I taught at a local store a couple of years ago and all of the kids wanted to learn the stuff i grew up on. It was pretty cool, shredding is back for sure. I was hard into the heavy stuff when thrash was big, and the shredders as well. A big fan of the Shrapnel recording artists, Tony MacAlpine, Jason Becker, Marty Friedman.....etc. Lets not forget the great find by Fank Zappa, Mr. Steve Vai. I agree with John, shredding can be fun at times, but in a tasteful way. Especially if you have a bar full of drunk people - they love it! lol! Oh by the way, i've got love for lots of early rap. RunDMC, Public Ememy, Tupac has lots of positive messages as well if you find the right stuff. There isn't much music i don't like, except maybe new Country. Evil or Very Mad There are some kids listening to rock thesedays i guess, just not the majority like the old days.

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Post by Warrn on Thu Oct 20, 2011 11:11 pm

There IS good hip hop out there still, it's just really hard to find. Abdominal is a lot of fun and has none of the "gangsta" crap from what I've heard. He's about the only one I listen to. On the other hand, Eminem (or Mathers as John called him) has some very fun songs as well, though there's also plenty of gangsta garbage.

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Re: Getting Old

Post by westcoaster on Fri Oct 21, 2011 12:19 pm

Must have done something right. My kids 14 and 16 absolutely detest the whole x-factor manufactured shrink wrapped dross. They would rather listen to something like the stone roses. (btw anybody got any tickets they don't want for the resurrection gigs. - just kidding).

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Post by bowenjaybee on Fri Oct 21, 2011 3:15 pm

westcoaster wrote:They would rather listen to something like the stone roses. (btw anybody got any tickets they don't want for the resurrection gigs. - just kidding).

The Stone Roses are one of the reasons I picked up a bass all those years ago, I taught myself to play bass by playing along with the debut album, I went to the Spike Island gig.. I was really into the "Baggy / Madchester" and other Indie bands of the day....great days, great memories... not too interested with the Stone Roses reunion to be honest I'd rather have a cup of tea and noodle on my Westone Rainbow. (I must be getting old)

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Post by The Chad on Fri Oct 21, 2011 4:04 pm

Ozzy (Sabbath) and Kiss are who first inspired me to sing while I was a young teenager. That was in the late 80's/early 90's, and that was old music then! Around 16 yrs old I got into "current" bands of that day which further inspired me, such as Bloodgood, Petra, and Whitecross.

I'm a Youth Pastor at church, so I hang out with teens more than anyone. It's funny, the 80's is roaring back with a vengence!!! My youth girls are wearing all sorts of 80's clothes (thinking that it's the "new" style) and some of the guys are becoming attracted to the rock/metal of days gone by. It makes me feel old watching them discover this "ancient history", that I grew up in! Laughing

My influences in guitar are the heavily from the past, 80's on up. My influences vocally are largely from the past as well. And thinking about vocalists... what great vocalists do we have coming up in today's music scene?! Are there any Les Carlsen's, Ronnie James Dio's, Michael Sweet's, David Coverdale's, Chris Cornell's?! Nope. I'm a singer mainly, so I'm pretty passionate about this subject.

And lastly, the guitars that I'm into are largely from that by-gone era, though not entirely. Odd how it happens. It's inevitable. You will be "dated" at some point. To not become dated, you need to strive to not be, which is unnatural. So just go with it. Gently that is. Cool

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Post by anaerobe on Fri Oct 21, 2011 4:16 pm

Having turned 50 this year, I am officially old. Very Happy Or so I am told. Laughing

The youngest child asked "What's it like, Dad?" Response: I think the same way. My body is creaky and much weaker.

I had "Castles made of Sand" followed up by something from Ten Years After on the car stereo when I picked up my son from practice this morning. He changed that up in a hurry - flipped in his Pantera disc "Cowboys from Hell" (which actually has some really tasty riffs courtesy of Dimebag). The lad is seriously into 80's metal - Maiden, Megadeth, etc...

We share a dislike of screamo eg, anything with cookie monster singing.

Oh, and we both like blues. He is a John Lee Hooker fan - which is interesting, I hadn't listened to that stuff much.

Also, we caught a Motorhead concert last year. Holy blasted ears!!! Good thing for a pocketful of foam earplugs.

EDIT: Chad, did you think much of Ian Gillan? Crazy wide vocal range...



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Re: Getting Old

Post by Iceman on Sat Oct 22, 2011 9:10 am

...or the Ian Gillian update known as Geoff Tate ???

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Post by The Chad on Sat Oct 22, 2011 10:02 am

anaerobe wrote:EDIT: Chad, did you think much of Ian Gillan? Crazy wide vocal range...

Gillian is without doubt one of the greats! He's got all the things that people look for in a singer, even though most people don't know how to identify them. Here's what they are; dynamics, emotion, control, ownership, power, and passion. Any singer who nails these traits, as long as the style appeals to you, they are going to be one of your favorite vocalists. If you think about it, this applies to any craft. Guitar included, yeah?

Ice: Never really got into Tate's voice! Probably because I never really "got" Tate. Laughing He's a little out there, IMO. Seems a little too self absorbed, like his passion flows for himself. Like it's not so much for the crowd or anything else but him. That's the impression I get anyhow. And that immediately turns me off.

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Post by hobster on Sat Oct 22, 2011 2:05 pm

I love Ian Gillian, saw him whan he was with Black Sabbath when i was living in Holland in the mid-early 80's. Saw Dio and met him and the band (he was super cool and SHORT, Vivian Campbell was drunk with a bottle of liquor in hand). Qeensryche opened that Dio show, talk about 2 powerful vocalists! I always loved Bruce Dickinson and Maiden the best, Rob Halford can wail as well. Very Happy

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Post by corsair on Sat Oct 22, 2011 3:36 pm

I saw Gillan in 1974 in Christchurch, NZ with the Mk 2 Purps... Eyes really only for Ritchie, but OMG... Gill an was a real screamer even then.....

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Re: Getting Old

Post by Iceman on Sat Oct 22, 2011 8:11 pm

hobster wrote:....Rob Halford can wail as well. Very Happy

At one time he could put any of them to shame (afaiac) when it came to the ultra-high registers. My first Priest album was Sad Wings of Destiny and OH MY MY could that dude scream it. affraid

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Post by Westbone on Sun Oct 23, 2011 3:16 am

Scream.... your dead right there Ice.

Vocalist does not = singer.

Anyway for all you "getting old" ...euthanasia lol!

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Post by anaerobe on Sun Oct 23, 2011 9:05 am

Euthanasia?

<opening visual: A one-horse cart bumping down a filthy medieval back-lane. Cart is piled high with dead folks.>

Cart-driver: "Bring out your dead!"

Dead guy: "I'm getting better!"

Young Relative: "No you're not, you'll be stone dead in a moment."

Laughing Gets me every time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grbSQ6O6kbs




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Re: Getting Old

Post by hobster on Sun Oct 23, 2011 12:28 pm

One of my favorite movies of all time

" The violence inherit in the system, the violence inherit in the system, i'm being repressed!"

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Post by Iceman on Sun Oct 23, 2011 2:55 pm

Ohhh, he'll do you a treat, mate...

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Post by The Chad on Mon Oct 24, 2011 1:20 pm

anaerobe wrote:Euthanasia?

<opening visual: A one-horse cart bumping down a filthy medieval back-lane. Cart is piled high with dead folks.>

Cart-driver: "Bring out your dead!"

Dead guy: "I'm getting better!"

Young Relative: "No you're not, you'll be stone dead in a moment."

Laughing Gets me every time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grbSQ6O6kbs




cheers The GRRRRRAIL!!!! My favorite part is... "there are some who call me... TIM?!" lol! Classic favorite, man I like that movie!

Halford and Dickinson are excellent screamers. Believe it or not, that's kinda hard to do, actually, screaming convincingly like that ain't easy. I was trained for years in vocal performance, took lessons from some big names in the vocal training industry, and none of them knew how to train someone to pull off those screams! One of my instructors had also trained Eddie Vedder and the guy from Pantera, both of them can scream gruff, but she couldn't train anyone to scream clean. So I respect those guys. The purest scream has got to be Michael Sweet from Stryper, who IMO is also the most athletic vocalist out there. Listen to "To Hell with the Devil", or better yet watch one of thier live performances on Youtube. He sings and screams, better than most any out there.

This is a cool Stryper clip, it's from a recent tour of their's. This vid for some reason focuses on Michael, so you get to hear his vocals and really his rythm guitar (shaky at times, but it's live). Click on the link below.
To Hell With The Devil

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Post by colt933 on Tue Oct 25, 2011 12:18 pm

For screamers, gotta love Chris Cornell. And while not really known for screaming, Tool singer Maynard James Keenan has an incredible voice and lets out the occasional long-winded blood-curdling scream.

And let's not forget about Roger Daltrey!

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Post by anaerobe on Tue Oct 25, 2011 12:32 pm

Daltrey - of course....

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Post by The Chad on Tue Oct 25, 2011 1:01 pm

I'm starting a new thread for this, it's a good topic.

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Post by Barry on Tue Oct 25, 2011 4:25 pm

The Chad wrote:I'm starting a new thread for this, it's a good topic.
Good idea. We've wandered way off topic methinks.

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Post by Westbone on Tue Oct 25, 2011 4:48 pm

or Robert Plant..it..

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Post by Iceman on Tue Oct 25, 2011 8:09 pm

OIY! affraid

Take it over to the new thread, geezer... Laughing

Oops, time for my Geritol. Gotta run.


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Post by fish on Wed Nov 02, 2011 7:02 pm

I dunno, young kids of today Sad

I was there when they were ripping out the seats at the Odeon New Street Birmingham,
to make room to rock to Bill Haley & his Comets, Rock around the clock movie.

Not much changed there then What a Face

I had a diet of 1950's 78's, Little Richard, The King, Chubby Checker, Tommy Steel, Lonnie Donegan etc.

Even enjoyed my Dad's 78's of Count Basie, Tommy Dorsey, Duke Ellington, Glenn Miller etc.
ah those were the days Very Happy

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