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Post by hobster on Tue Nov 29, 2011 1:07 am

Hey i'm a big Adrian fan, lived in Holland 4 years and saw him open for Dio in Rotterdam in 84, just making a statement. Yngwie is technically amazing but to me he seems repetitive and stuck in one style. I've always loved Satch but Vai is so much more creative musically and explores many more angles. Maybe its the Zappa "wierdness" he was influenced by. Flexable is a great first solo album and really OUT THERE! I used to love to experiment with, well shall we say mind altering substances, back in the day and listen to the early Vai albums. I'm sure that has nothing to do with my opinion. Very Happy

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Post by beavis on Tue Nov 29, 2011 3:29 am

hobster wrote:
beavis wrote:
hobster wrote:Technique wise, howz about some Steve Vai. He is one of the most creative and technically proficient guitarists out there and one of my personal favorites. Passion and Warfare is one of the best guitar albums ever made. Besides, he was discovered by Frank Zappa (rocks greatest genious ever) who hired him as a teenager, need i say more?

Well, he did go on to ruin every band he ever played in: whitesnake, alcatrazz... Those guys used to rock before Vai arrived! :joker:

Ouch. He didn't even write anything on the Vaisnake album, Coverdale was a jerk and fired the whole band after the album was written and hired a supergroup to record it. You could just as well say Vandenberg ruined Whitesnake. As for Alcatrazz, i knew Yngwie was with them but i never listened to them much. How about Eat em and smile, thats an amazing album with Billy Sheenan and Vai ripping it up. I'm glad he has gone solo since, he is too good to not do his own thing anyway.

Wasn't saying he had written anything. I just think his playing didn't fit in. But I agree with you and am glad he has gone solo. And there is no questioning his skills. :bball:

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Post by beavis on Tue Nov 29, 2011 3:30 am

Iceman wrote:Ya know Beavis, looking at you avatar got me thinking about my comment on John's choice. I was just kidding around with the Lionel Ritchie jab there John.

So do you enjoy Ritchie's In and Out of Love early style or the later Wanted: Dead or Alive phase of his career?

You're right, one Ritchie can hide another as they say in France.

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Post by corsair on Tue Nov 29, 2011 8:05 am

You blokes are wittering on and on about Vai, Satch, Gilbert and all the other über shredders and yet, there's Blackmore who's the most versatile guitarist on the damn planet; the man can do everything from burning those triplets with the Purps, to renaissance folk with Blackmore's Night and everything in between; I like his stylistic imprint on everything he's done, and his tone rocks my world, by and large!!

The man has TASTE.


... and he's just a little weird into the bargain; top marks from this reviewer!! Laughing

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Post by The Chad on Tue Nov 29, 2011 4:14 pm

True story for John:
About 5-7 years ago a friend of mine named Brandon was playing his homemade lute at our local Renaissance Faire when a man approached him about his playing style. They talked a bit while my friend was playing, and the man ended up invited my friend to go on tour with them. Startled and beginning to recognize who the man as, Brandon asked him for his name... the man was none other than Ritchie freakin' Blackmore!!! Seriously. My friend actually DECLINED, due to responsibilities at home, but wow, what a story! If you'd see my buddy Brandon you'd understand, he looks like Blackmore's Night personified! Sounds like them too.

To the topic at hand: Regarding tone, I love Gilmour's tone. Style wise, it's all over the board.

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Post by grogg on Tue Nov 29, 2011 5:11 pm

Gilmour always got great tone.
Beavis, looking at your avatar, when youve finished with the chub on the left send me a pm.
Vai and those other technical masters dont do it for me, the feeling got lost. Chemical Brothers have brought it back into balance.

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Post by Barry on Tue Nov 29, 2011 6:09 pm

beavis wrote:...technique and tone are two very different things...
Mmm yes, I think so. But it is difficult to separate the two eh? There are many beautiful players 'out there' and it's difficult to settle on one, or two, or...

But, in the jazz world I guess I'm "old school" (quelle surprise!). So it's guys like Kenny Burrell and Wes Montgomery.
In the pop world, several have already been mentioned with whom I agree but I would also add, Mark Knopfler.
Acoustically? Really hard to say...I've always loved James Taylor's sound, and Neil Young is hard to beat for musical "hooks" although, not strictly speaking, a tone thing.

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Post by Guest on Tue Nov 29, 2011 6:49 pm

wes Montgomery - yeah. Many of my first guitar lessons were based on his stuff - Jaguar, Tequilla, etc. Not my normal tone or style - but what a way to learn at 14 yrs old.

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Post by Iceman on Tue Nov 29, 2011 8:30 pm

corsair wrote:....there's Blackmore

Ohhhhhh, that Ritchie...

Seriously now John, he's obviously a great, great musician. I saw him in concert back some 20 years ago and was pleasantly surprised by how tasteful and cerebral his soloing was. Shocked

I believe we have all proved the point I was thinking about when I began this thread. It is almost impossible to just name one. Just too many damn talented players to narrow it down.

I mean, what about Uli Jon Roth, Joe Pass, James Burton, Alvin Lee (never mind Albert Lee), Skunk Baxter, Alex Skolnick, Steve Morse, Chet Atkins, Allan Holdsworth, Buckethead for cryin'out loud........ well, you know.

Thank goodness no one's mention Clapton or those dreaded initials EVH... tongue


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Maybe a better thread is who can you cop?

Post by Guest on Tue Nov 29, 2011 8:47 pm

Maybe a better thread is who can you cop?

I have a few that I can nail down easily, some I never will, and some I am working on.

But that me be a totally different thread

For Example:
Alex Lifeson - any period - I got it nailed
Stevie ray Vaughn - As hard as I try, I can't get his sound perfect
Trevor Rabin - in progress and doing pretty good


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Post by norfolkngood on Wed Nov 30, 2011 5:04 am

It's a bit of a cliche, but Clapton's woman-tone takes some beating.

And Gary Moore when he played from the heart. "Still got the Blues" or "Walkways."

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Post by hobster on Wed Nov 30, 2011 1:02 pm

Alex Skolnick - haven't heard that name in a while. God i loved his playing with Testament back in the day. I think i saw them like 5 times. He is very talented in jazz as well. There are SO MANY great guitarists out there and throughout history, but i'll stick with SRV and Gilmore when it comes to tone. How about Danny Gatton? He had that tele tone down!

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Post by corsair on Wed Nov 30, 2011 1:38 pm

I've a Purps story too.... 1974 and DP Mk 2 are touring behind Machine Head and are in NZ, which in 1974 is just a little .... quiet!!
I have a cousin by marriage who is about 10 years older than I and he was at the Auckland gig after which he went back to his flat to enjoy some more medicinal herbiage when there's a knock on the door. Answering it, there's one of the road crew - these are the days when you picked up your touring crew in the country you were touring - who knows Lance. He says he has some mates with him who'd like to "party", Lance says "Cool, truck 'em in!!" and in walk the Purps....

Apparently, a really good time was had by all.... I saw the gig in Christchurch - I was 14 - but didn't get to party down with the guys!!

It was that gig hat made me really want to be a guitar player; Ritchie had it all on show that tour; tricks, tone and just bloody fabulous playing.... I mean Machine Head live; how could it not be epic?!

And try as I might, I cannot truly get his tone, and cannot even roughly approach his technique.... I'm just not that good.

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Post by Iceman on Wed Nov 30, 2011 7:32 pm

hobster wrote:..... How about Danny Gatton? He had that tele tone down!

Also known as The Humbler. Too bad he didn't make more records before checking out.

Truly a great talent whose troubles could not be overcome apparently.

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Post by hobster on Wed Nov 30, 2011 8:50 pm

Iceman wrote:
hobster wrote:..... How about Danny Gatton? He had that tele tone down!

Also known as The Humbler. Too bad he didn't make more records before checking out.

Truly a great talent whose troubles could not be overcome apparently.

Yeah, it was a real shame. Sad I'm from Virginia originally so he was kinda the hometown hero. I was shocked to hear about his suicide, such a waste of talent. I'll drink one tonight for Danny!

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Post by Iceman on Wed Nov 30, 2011 10:01 pm

I'll bend an elbow along with 'ya for Danny. May he rest in peace.

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and another one for Danny....

Post by gittarasaurus on Thu Dec 01, 2011 1:31 pm

another native of Washington DC here, and a huge fan of Danny Gatton.
there are barely words to describe his seemingly limitless talent and good humor on stage, which made his suicide all the more puzzling to his many fans. he was one of the greatest.

in the studio he was an unrestrained perfectionist. my favorite quote from his engineer, "I've probably erased more great guitar licks than most engineers ever get to record."
and then Danny would say.... "one more time from the top boys!"
Ed has 100's of hours of Danny recorded in the studio, most of it will probably never be heard, unfortunately.

Danny Gatton gets that amazing telecaster tone from custom made pickups by Joe Barden, and a collection of classic amps that are specially set up for him.

here is Danny doing some boogie woogie and some real life roadwear on his tele....watch and be amazed.....
http://youtu.be/GQ2Q2D3G6Rs

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Post by Barry on Thu Dec 01, 2011 7:39 pm

Quite a talent there! Loved the little rockabilly section in particular.
'Course I've been known to play with a towel before...but not quite like that. clown

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Post by Guest on Thu Dec 01, 2011 7:56 pm

Since we are on the Gatton theme - and I love Gatton, my favorite was his Beer Bottle Slide.

Watch this and think either it is a waste of beer, or that was a beer well worth it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfBF4rr7FiA





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Post by Iceman on Thu Dec 01, 2011 8:36 pm

You beat me to it Sarc. I've seen him do that neat little feat a couple of times and was searching the tube looking for an example to post.

Bags ( upon bags upon bags ) of skill, talent, creativity. What a Greek tragedy how it all ended for him.

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Post by Guest on Thu Dec 01, 2011 9:05 pm

Been a fan of his since I saw that on PBS years ago and thought "I want to waste a beer like that" although I never tried it live as I was never a good slide guy anyway. But that is what introduced me to how cool a tele player could be - and why I have a tele today. not that I could play like him at all now - but there is no substitution for a tele for some things

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Post by hobster on Fri Dec 02, 2011 12:32 am

This thread motivated me to listen to some ol Danny. There is a great show he released from the Birchmere in Alexandria, VA (saw the Flecktones there) that i have and a coupe of his cds. Man he really ROCKED when he wanted to. Incredible high energy licks that include so many styles. He is missed. Crying or Very sad

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Post by Westbone on Fri Dec 02, 2011 4:09 am

Seems Joe Bonamassa has nailed everyone's style. Very good plecker though.

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Post by caucajun on Fri Dec 02, 2011 11:16 pm

Twisted Evil ANGUS! Twisted Evil

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Post by hobster on Sat Dec 03, 2011 11:37 am

caucajun wrote: Twisted Evil ANGUS! Twisted Evil

Beef?? Very Happy

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Post by Iceman on Sat Dec 03, 2011 11:40 am

hobster wrote:
caucajun wrote: Twisted Evil ANGUS! Twisted Evil

Beef?? Very Happy

EXACTLY!! Laughing

As in affraid "where's the....??" affraid

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