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Post by rabidgerry on Sat Jan 28, 2012 9:03 am

Hi guy's how is everyone? Very Happy


Pleased to have joined you on your forum.

Ok well I bought my first Westone during the week, I had quite a battle on ebay with the seller and ended up paying a hell of a lot more than I could done had I bid on the guitar the first time it was listed!!!! Anyways I got it for $550 and I just wanted to know if I got it at a good price?


It looked in excellent shape from the photos. I have not received the guitar yet as I'm here in the Northern Ireland and the guitar is coming from USA.

From the photos a saw a few little chips, about 2 on the largest point at the rear of the guitar. Then a miniscule one at the top of the head stock.

Seller claimed the guitar was in perfect working order, no fret wear, electronically sound, and bridge hardware in good order.

Now I haven't seen it or even played it yet but I just wanted to know if this was a good price or did I over pay for $550?

It came with the original case, knobs and whammy bar. "very clean" according to seller, think that's a term for good condition amongst guitar sellers, dunno Laughing

It's a white one with the red graphic.


I was inspired to get one of these guitars by Jeff Mantas of Venom fame. He plays a black one on a Venom live in Hammersmith dvd I have. I always wondered what the hell the guitar was, I thought it may have been an ice warrior but realised it was better and much nicer than that crap Jackson guitar. Anyways it took me years to find out what it was, and when I did I'd figure I'd try get one rather than buy a new Fender Strat which I'd also my eye on lol!

The thing that struck me about the Dimension IV from the video was the unique tone of the guitar, in fact that is my main motivationbehind getting it. I was never one for crazy pointy guitars (traditional Flying V shape excluded Wink ) but then the shape started to grow on me and I just new having a Dimension IV would be MAD!!!

Later I realised on the Venom album "Possessed" the guitar primarily used was Jeff Mants' Dimension IV which in my opionion is a unique guitar sound, so this sealed the deal for me. Had to get one.

Now I'm waiting on the guitar arriving I'm hoping I got a good deal and it's not in bits or the seller has been dishonest in any way. There were a tonne of photos and I inspected them time and time again so I hope it's all good.

Let me know what you fellas think of the price I paid.

When I get it I will let you know what I think, may be make some sound clips also!!!! Twisted Evil

Let me know what you think of this purchase.



Last edited by rabidgerry on Mon Jan 30, 2012 8:24 am; edited 1 time in total (Reason for editing : forgot the album title)

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Re: I Bought A Westone Dimension iv

Post by hobster on Sat Jan 28, 2012 2:03 pm

Mercyful Fate, Venom? Awesome, haven't heard those names in a while. I used to love Venom back in the mid 80's when i lived in Holland. Still have all of their albums and a great poster from the Black Metal tour with special guests : Metallica Kill em all. Missed the show, but it would have been cool to see Metallica open for Venom.
As for the axe, pricing is so relative and it really is about what you think its worth. I think thats the general attitude here, prices vary so much.

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Re: I Bought A Westone Dimension iv

Post by hoax on Sat Jan 28, 2012 2:52 pm


Hello and welcome.

Sorry I can't help you with the value as I know very little about Dimensions. I am sure that others will be able to give you an opinion. Stick around and get involved. This is a great little forum.

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Re: I Bought A Westone Dimension iv

Post by Iceman on Sat Jan 28, 2012 3:34 pm

Welcome to you Rabid! Used to groove to Mercyful Fate quite often back in the late 80's and also some Venom as well.

To your main question all I can say is your worries about having overpaid will go away soon after you start shredding away on that axe. Search the forums for posts about the Dynasty model and you will get an idea of what to expect for tones and options on yours, which is a rarer bird to my eyes.

Here is a link to our archive side of the site to whet your appetite ...

http://www.westoneguitars.net/guitars/dimension-iv-x4/

And a link to the Dynasty just for good measure ...

http://www.westoneguitars.net/guitars/dynasty-xv2/

Chad will be along to add his opinions I am sure.


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Re: I Bought A Westone Dimension iv

Post by beavis on Sun Jan 29, 2012 5:52 am

Hi there!

I am the happy owner of a white/red graphics dimension IV. Here is the thread of when I bought it http://forum.westoneguitars.net/t1796-second-hand-no-really-westone-dimension-guitar-terrible-condition-worth-it .

As you will see, I paid what would now be around 140$ for it, knowing it was in a poor condition and has some medium to serious marks (wood chip on the tip, some saw (yes the mind boggles) mark on it as well, the electronics need mending and some hard to find parts were missing).

If it's in great condition, 550$ is a fair price. Anyway, the guitar will kick ass to any stupidly overpriced Gibson or PRS.

Mainly, as Iceman so rightly says, once you get your hands on it, you will have the impression you ripped the seller off, the guitar's a shredding machine Twisted Evil

Oh, and last but not least, don't mean to be cheeky, but why question the price now that it is paid and the item on its way?

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Re: I Bought A Westone Dimension iv

Post by corsair on Sun Jan 29, 2012 6:27 am

I'm the resident cheap bar steward who's never paid over NZ$300 for a Matsumoku guitar, and hence I reckon you got involved in a bidding war - like most of us have here at some stage!! - and went mad and wound up almost regretting winning the auction. And now, of course, you've got the wait for the guitar to wend its way across the water, hopefully on one piece... Ain't life grand?!

To me, 550 seems a lot, BUT.... If it is in very good nick, you may be on a winner as the price of these guitars, and that would be Westone in general, seems to be going ever upwards these days. Add to the mix the fact that you actually want this thing SO bad, then I would think a win all round, given that the guitar is in good nick as the seller says. He's taking the neck off to ship, right?!

You're right about the sound; these have MMK 45s onboard which are a good raunchy pickup with tons of presence and a tone of their own. They're quite versatile as well, being capable of mixing in the middle s/c, coil splitting the h/bs and reversing the phase therein, so a really capable instrument which was, in terms of versatility, a little ahead of its time.

So, you probably did OK; we'd love to see this when you've got it in your hot little hands.....

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Re: I Bought A Westone Dimension iv

Post by fish on Sun Jan 29, 2012 7:05 am

beavis wrote: Oh, and last but not least, don't mean to be cheeky, but why question the price now that it is paid and the item on its way?cheers

Yeah the price sounds OK to me, I always seem to pay too much but remember..........

"The Quality Is Remembered Long After The Price Is Forgotten?" Very Happy

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Re: I Bought A Westone Dimension iv

Post by Iceman on Sun Jan 29, 2012 2:09 pm

fish wrote:..."The Quality Is Remembered Long After The Price Is Forgotten?" Very Happy

Or putting a slight twixt on it...

"The bitter taste of poor quality lingers on long after the sweet aroma of a cheap price."

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Re: I Bought A Westone Dimension iv

Post by hoax on Sun Jan 29, 2012 2:16 pm

Iceman wrote:
fish wrote:..."The Quality Is Remembered Long After The Price Is Forgotten?" Very Happy

Or putting a slight twixt on it...

"The bitter taste of poor quality lingers on long after the sweet aroma of a cheap price."

Ice

You have nailed it. That completely sums up Lidl Brandy and coke-a-like. Very Happy

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Post by Iceman on Sun Jan 29, 2012 2:37 pm

I would think that quantity would play as much a part as quality in that situation.

I can recount a particular occasion personally when quantity won the race to the tipping point and quality for the balance of the evening (and following early morning) consisted of SoCo & Mountain Dew followed by Jager & Dr. Pepper. The session was rounded out towards the end by the novel combination of Yukon & Clamato with a splash of Grenadine for color.


...if you follow me. Actually no.... you do not wish to ride that train.

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Re: I Bought A Westone Dimension iv

Post by Iceman on Sun Jan 29, 2012 2:44 pm

Soooo, back on topic.

As long as the seller was forthright in his description Rabid I believe you will be quite pleased even at the price you paid. I have in all honesty seen a few of these for sale in the past year at lower prices, but quality or other factors were wanting in those cases.

Obviously who wouldn't want to chance upon one forgotten in a pawn shop and haggled down to a Benjamin or the equivalent. For you though I'm confident the proof'll be in the puddin'.

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Re: I Bought A Westone Dimension iv

Post by rabidgerry on Mon Jan 30, 2012 6:49 am

hobster wrote:Mercyful Fate, Venom? Awesome, haven't heard those names in a while. I used to love Venom back in the mid 80's when i lived in Holland. Still have all of their albums and a great poster from the Black Metal tour with special guests : Metallica Kill em all. Missed the show, but it would have been cool to see Metallica open for Venom.
As for the axe, pricing is so relative and it really is about what you think its worth. I think thats the general attitude here, prices vary so much.


Hey man cheers!! I love all that music, I got into Mercyful fate bout 2 year ago after avoiding them for years, I dunno I never liked the impression I had of them in my mind, now I'M A BIG FAN lol!


I think the price I got for my guitar is good, but it better be in one piece when it arrives!!!

I was probably about 1 or 2 when you went to those shows!!! hahaha I discovered Venom and sorta traditonal metal in the bad old 90's, bad time to get into that music let me tell ya!!! Some said I missed the train!! But it got popular again!!!

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Post by rabidgerry on Mon Jan 30, 2012 6:51 am

Iceman wrote:Welcome to you Rabid! Used to groove to Mercyful Fate quite often back in the late 80's and also some Venom as well.

To your main question all I can say is your worries about having overpaid will go away soon after you start shredding away on that axe. Search the forums for posts about the Dynasty model and you will get an idea of what to expect for tones and options on yours, which is a rarer bird to my eyes.

Here is a link to our archive side of the site to whet your appetite ...

And a link to the Dynasty just for good measure ...

Chad will be along to add his opinions I am sure.


Man thanks for that, nice to be put at ease, and thanks for this links, will check 'em out. Up the Mercyful Fate yeeeooo!!!

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Re: I Bought A Westone Dimension iv

Post by rabidgerry on Mon Jan 30, 2012 7:28 am

beavis wrote:
Oh, and last but not least, don't mean to be cheeky, but why question the price now that it is paid and the item on its way?

cheers

Hey man thanks for getting back to me, I don't think your question is cheeky at all, reason why I was questioning the price is because I know the prices vary on these bad boy's and I read another thread where people had been advising a guy that his price was too high for a similar dimension to the one I bought and his had more damage, no knobs etc etc

so I was curious about my price and what I paid. I wanna state this for the record also, I could bought this buy it now for $499 at one point, and again one it by auction for $399 as no one paid for it. When it was $499 I made two offers on it. My last being $425. The seller then on ebay blocked me after this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Shocked

I was raging!! Had to call in special forces to bag it in the end, and when I say that I mean I'd actually to get my mate to put down another offer for me as the guitar was "buy it now" or "best offer" on ebay


by this stage the guy had put the guitar the buy it now to $700!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I was near heart broken, so as I said I got my buddy to stick down an offer then of $550 and thankfully the guy took it!!

so from $399 to $499 to $700!!! INSANE

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Re: I Bought A Westone Dimension iv

Post by rabidgerry on Mon Jan 30, 2012 7:39 am

Thanks to all who said hello too!! Pleasure to join ya all Wink

guy's I'd post some links to to ebay completed listings but I aint got those rights yet being a newbie.

ebay.co.uk/itm/1985-Westone-Dimension-IV-Electric-Guitar-NICE-OHSC-INTERNATIONAL-SHIPPING-/280808895316?pt=Guitar&hash=item416183b354

check this item out, I deleted the http out so I could post this and www

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Re: I Bought A Westone Dimension iv Post rabidgerry Today at 10:49 am

Post by fish on Mon Jan 30, 2012 8:19 am

Iceman wrote: the proof'll be in the puddin'.

Hello Gerry? the Puddin indeed, Don't mean to be cheeky but have you thought about CUSTOMS charges :!:

Your My Space ''Raibid Bitch of the North'' site looks good. Burn My Boots, the pointy will fit in well there Very Happy

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Re: I Bought A Westone Dimension iv

Post by rabidgerry on Mon Jan 30, 2012 8:33 am

Yeah I'm prepared for the charges, I'm bracing myself for them.

I did try ask the seller to stick down that it was a gift and under £50, but he'd already sent or some crap.

Anyways, I'm not sure on this but as far as I know the custom charges are like a lottery, I order a lot from states and sometimes I get nailed, and sometimes I don't. I was nailed one time when the item wasn't over £50 and it was down to the fact that they read it as £50 where as it actually said $50 which is not the correct amount.

Customs charges are the worst thing ever, bloody cheek if you ask me.

Thanks for checking out the myspace, currently writing a lot more new material, better guitar sounds than those on those myspace tunes which are on first band ep. Doing a single next, PRIME OPPORTUNITY FOR THE DIMENSION IV!!!!

Made a few dummy recordings just using my Fat Strat, sounding good if I do say so myself.

Think for Burn my Boots I used mainly my Tokai Flying V FV48 MIK (not an insanely expensive guitar but its a fantastic instrument and even better for the money). Got that Tokai re fretted with insanely hi frets, fingers barely touch the would now, feels weird but I like the height.

Something else that makes that Tokai nice is adding a Fender Fat Finger!!! Makes it more like an original Gibson V. Really enhances overtones.

Anyways babbling as usual.


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Re: I Bought A Westone Dimension iv

Post by The Chad on Mon Jan 30, 2012 4:21 pm

Iceman wrote: Chad will be along to add his opinions I am sure.


... and here I am. Laughing

Ice is right. As well as the other boys so far. Quality vs. Price (gotta throw condition in there as well), quality will always win baby! Cool

Sound: Get ready to be quite amazed. I say that because of the weird versatility that this thing throws down. It's odd, really. Doesn't need it. Yet it's there all the same. Gives a combination of 18 different sounds, which you'll primarily use on a clean channel. Its clean sound is remarkable, especially considering the "metal" look of the guitar. Distorted, there isn't as much of a difference between them all to make it worth it, IMO. The black Dim IV that Venom dude plays looks bone stock. Which is cool, because as you'd pointed out, it has a sound character all its own. I love it. The Dynasty essentially the same guitar but in a Vee, and is the same sound, maybe a tad different due to weird scientific stuff regarding virbration paths and junk I don't get. The neck humbucker is deep, sounds great in the sweet spot between the 11th and 18th frets. The bridge isn't as bright as most others are, because the MMK45's pickups are pretty well rounded. The bridge is great for metal. The sound is hard to describe, lots of attitude and almost has a slight little hollow property under distortion if that makes any sense, although "hollow" isn't at all the right term. Makes it sound so different, I've had compliments on "What is that thing" regarding the sound. Kudos to Westone for these pickups. Harmonics are pretty easy to pull off, and palm mutes are good.

Build: Like a freakin' tank. The enamel is like epoxy, so thick and bulletproof. Quality built instrument, tight and secure. The only unfortunate part is the bridge. They're strange, would've been better off with a hard tail or a Floyd copy. You'll get this Dim IV in your hand and think "wow this thing is solid". Let me know if I'm wrong.

Feel: Frets are nice and chunky, feels great with nice big frets like that. The neck isn't too thick or thin, with a good contour that doesn't quite fill the hand, encouraging you to move up and down without it feeling like effort. This is what they call a "fast" neck. By the way, that only matters if you can play fast. Laughing Radius isn't overly flat, it allows for chording real easily. I wish the neck was a higher radius (a wee bit flatter) but oh well.

So there ya go. Let us know when she arrives! Search the forum for any Dimension IV posts, you'll see some cool stuff. Oh yeah, and click on this.... Dimensin IV demo

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Post by Barry on Mon Jan 30, 2012 11:08 pm

I think you can throw the Spectrum GT into this comparison too.
Same electronics:



Don't know if the body style changes anything significantly or not.

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Post by hobster on Tue Jan 31, 2012 12:30 am

I was thinking the same thing about my Spectrum FX and Electra Westone X199, they have the same electronic setup as my Dynasty. The FX has different pickups but thats the only difference.

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Post by Iceman on Tue Jan 31, 2012 10:14 am

The origin of that pup/wiring configuration can be found here...

http://www.rivercityamps.com/electrapage/comments.php?y=08&m=01&entry=entry080123-091934

The Phoenix/Spectrum was the longest running of all the models imported by SLM if memory serves.

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Post by rabidgerry on Tue Feb 07, 2012 5:52 am

Ok the guitar has made it to the uk....


bad news!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I was stung another £106 pound for imort tax!!! Fairly taken the joy outta getting this guitar. Had the seller simply stuck down the item was a gift I'd avoided the charge!!

I will ge my guitar tomorrow hopefully, will let ya all know what it's like. At the mo there is a huge dampner on the purchase Sad

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Post by The Chad on Tue Feb 07, 2012 12:56 pm

WOW, that is a blow... Shocked

Stupid taxes.

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Post by fish on Tue Feb 07, 2012 1:46 pm

rabidgerry wrote:Ok the guitar has made it to the uk....


bad news!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I was stung another £106 pound for imort tax!!! Fairly taken the joy outta getting this guitar. Had the seller simply stuck down the item was a gift I'd avoided the charge!!

I will ge my guitar tomorrow hopefully, will let ya all know what it's like. At the mo there is a huge dampner on the purchase Sad

It wont make you feel any better "rabid" but, you'll just have to think of it as your contribution to the mess the EU. Blair & Brown got us into. my last contribution was £320 import VAT. affraid vote UKIP.

Ooops sorry John Very Happy

I'm sure the axe will give you a lot of pleasure "rabid" & as I said "The Quality Is Remembered Long After The Price Is Forgotten?"


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Post by hobster on Tue Feb 07, 2012 4:24 pm

Wow, and people complain about the taxes here! Evil or Very Mad

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