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Post by hobster on Tue Feb 07, 2012 4:24 pm

Wow, and people complain about the taxes here! Evil or Very Mad

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Post by fish on Tue Feb 07, 2012 5:37 pm

hobster wrote:Wow, and people complain about the taxes here! Evil or Very Mad

If a US seller puts down the full item value on the shipping insurance, I believe 20% VAT is charged on total value including
shipping cost, PLUS £15.00 UK Post Office handling charge!! pale

Not only are we paying the Government/EU to wast our tax on useless wind turbines just to name but one ludicrous situation.
Premium unleaded is around £6.10=$9.68 a gallon, Diesel is £6.50=$10.33 What a Face

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Post by hoax on Tue Feb 07, 2012 6:01 pm

fish wrote:
hobster wrote:Wow, and people complain about the taxes here! Evil or Very Mad

If a US seller puts down the full item value on the shipping insurance, I believe 20% VAT is charged on total value including
shipping cost, PLUS £15.00 UK Post Office handling charge!! pale

Not only are we paying the Government/EU to wast our tax on useless wind turbines just to name but one ludicrous situation.
Premium unleaded is around £6.10=$9.68 a gallon, Diesel is £6.50=$10.33 What a Face

Could not agree with you more fishy one!

We are being totally ripped off so that we can roll over and allow state spending on paying benefits to Al Qaida suspects, paying millions of bonuses to city fat cats in state owned banks, paying benefits to generations who make a career choice not to work, local authority nappy awareness officers, performance development managers, community involvement teams, diversity departments.

Think of your salary and deduct income tax, national insurance, council tax, road tax, Vat, insurance tax, tuition fees, parking fees, fuel duty, prescription fees (England?). You end up with Jack Sh** to save, and when you do save, you get appalling rates and have to pay tax on the interest accrued.

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Post by Iceman on Tue Feb 07, 2012 9:44 pm

hobster wrote:Wow, and people complain about the taxes here! Evil or Very Mad

Not to worry there Hobs, VAT will be here before you know it.

We really are a stupid populace to even allow such talk by our politicians. You would think we could just look to those places in the world, the UK for example, to see what a canard these gimmicks are.

Unfortunately the have-nots and don't-wannas have come to realize they can vote their income from the treasury given the right candidate ... so long as they don't care about giving away their rights in the bargain.

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Post by corsair on Wed Feb 08, 2012 3:12 am

Don't apologise to me, man - I live in Australia!!

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Re: I Bought A Westone Dimension iv

Post by beavis on Wed Feb 08, 2012 5:20 am

Just to play the devil's advocate here (hey that's my job anyway), I think it's useful to distinguish sales taxes and VAT from administrative costs such as customs duties like the "UK post office charges" mentioned earlier by Fish. The first tend to (emphasis on that) generally increase the state's income allowing it to pay for all the things the people want it to pay for (Al Qaida suspects and unemployed bums, but also healthcare, public schools, law enforcement) when the latter are just an old relic of Renaissance State protectionism aimed at dissuading people to buy foreign and import. These fees should disappear but it's easy money and people generally do not complain about it.

Funnily enough, the way to go, at least here, seems to be to live off debt (instead of saving your hard earned cash) - mortgage on your house for instance - as this is fully tax deductible.

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Post by fish on Wed Feb 08, 2012 10:40 am

corsair wrote:Don't apologise to me, man - I live in Australia!!

Luck you John nice & warm too I bet, bloody cold in the UK right now.

No, I was referring to your rebuke the last time I posted affraid vote UKIP

beavis wrote:Just to play the devil's advocate here (hey that's my job anyway), I think it's useful to distinguish sales taxes and VAT from administrative costs such as customs duties like the "UK post office charges" mentioned earlier by Fish.

All agreed Beavis, tax is a necessary evil but hoax'y & I are complaining about the way taxes are being wasted right now here in rip off Britain, propping up Banks & a currency € we don't even belong to, the loss of sovereignty in the form of the EU that no one in the UK ever voted to belong to & paying the EU £3 Billion a week on top for the privilege.




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Re: I Bought A Westone Dimension iv

Post by beavis on Wed Feb 08, 2012 11:06 am

fish wrote:
All agreed Beavis, tax is a necessary evil but hoax'y & I are complaining about the way taxes are being wasted right now here in rip off Britain, propping up Banks & a currency € we don't even belong to, the loss of sovereignty in the form of the EU that no one in the UK ever voted to belong to & paying the EU £3 Billion a week for the privilege.


True. I guess what I was trying to say is that when you pay taxes, it is legitimate to expect of the government to do something useful with the cash, which is less the case with administrative costs which only exist to be a pain in the ass and serve as candy money for god-knows who.

As for this Euro business, well I'm in Switzerland. Maybe not as far away from trouble as Australia, but helpful for the time being as we are more or less getting the best of both worlds through bilateral agreements.

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Re: I Bought A Westone Dimension iv

Post by rabidgerry on Thu Feb 09, 2012 7:12 am

£106 is definitely a fee to dissuade folks from buying abroad, something I do a lot. Why?

Cause I can't get what I need here all the time. I'll never quit that, if something is cheaper abroad, I will also buy it then if cheaper than my local shop.

Anyways guys, the guitar was played for the 1st time last night.

My initial thoughts on the condition are that is in excellent shape, the chips on lower point are no more than the photos in the guitar description, however I tend to remember them in my head more than anything which kinda grates on my "ultra fussy" standards (my other guitars are immaculate).

Anyways, the main surfaces are fairly on scratched, and when I say scratch I mean the little hair line type you see only in the sheen of light. The hardware, well what can I say, looks almost new, that is the bridge and locking nut.

The pick ups pole pieces and screws as well as toggle switch mounting ring are all a little corroded.

Thats a basic run down on the condition aesthetically is that it's in very good condition. I have a question: is it possible to get chips restored?

Something also to note is the fact that the guitar has been photographed more white in colour than it actually is, the colour is virtually yellow now!!! I don't mind it was just surprising!! I looks like an old white snooker/pool ball


Ok sounds, I didn't remember the pick up/switching config last night when I got hold of the guitar so was stumbling around it blindly. Initial impression reminded me of my flying V, but not. It has a really good set of electronic controls, very responsive tone knobs and lovely range of tone on tap, the highs are sweetly trashy when desired and cleans are gorgeous, good for "The Police" style Roland jazz chorus tones. Can achieve some stratty tones on this bad boy also. I quite like the grunty middle pick up/combinations, interesting distorted.

I haven't played it enough however to get familiar with the guitars up close and personal character tone. After band practice I came home and plugged it in to my recording unit and got a bit of an idea, it was late though so I only got messing around for bout 20 mins.

I will do some recording with it over the next week though and get my ears stuck into the tonal goodness.

Another question, the pick up selector switch could do with replacing, will this de value the guitar if I change this? Also what about if I replace the screws?

And is there anything I can do to get rid of the corrosion on the pole pieces.

The neck on the guitar is superb by the way.

Also case was in good nick as well!! Guitar is way lighter than I'm used to what with my Fat strat floyd rose.


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Re: I Bought A Westone Dimension iv

Post by The Chad on Thu Feb 09, 2012 8:46 am

Glad you're liking it so far. I'd heard of a few tips for some cosmetic improvements, here they are...

For the screws, either buy new black screws or use a Bic brand "Tuxedo Black" Sharpie on them. Don't use a regular marker, they leave a purple-ish hue behind, use the Bic Tuxedo Black. BCR Music here in Pennsylvania uses markers (they're a major player in guitars, they work on the stars' guitars) and wow do they ever work, it's surprising. It may need touching up now and again, but who cares.

For the pole pieces, screw them up so that they're raised slightly out of the plastic housing. Use a fine pointed metal thingy of your choice and gently scrape them off the best you can, maybe have a vacuum cleaner running beside you with the hose attachment positioned beside the pickup you're scraping so that it sucks up any corrosion you scrape off. Then try wiping them out with cotton swabs (Q tips). After this, use that same Bic Tuxedo Black marker on them. If the fine point doesn't go down into the hex heads of the pole pieces, then twist the point around in the hex head until the ink begins to seep down into them. Let them dry and return the pole pieces to the height they were before.

For the chips on the points, it may be tough to match since it's that beautiful aged white color. Go to your local DIY (Home Depot, Lowes, paint store, or whatever you have in your area) and ask the pros to find a matching paint color. Touch it up with that paint.

After a little while of playing it though, you may find that you don't mind the chips. They add attitude to the guitar, shows it's been rockin' for a while. There are two types of guitar people... ones that play their guitars, and ones that collect their guitars. Collectors usually look at cosmetics, players usually look at feel and sound. Of all the serious guitarists I'd ever met, they were not too concerned about correcting blemishes. The guitar is a tool, an instrument to be played, and it has a story to tell. Anyway, enjoy the guitar!

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Re: I Bought A Westone Dimension iv

Post by rabidgerry on Sat Feb 11, 2012 8:27 am

The Chad wrote:

After a little while of playing it though, you may find that you don't mind the chips. They add attitude to the guitar, shows it's been rockin' for a while. There are two types of guitar people... ones that play their guitars, and ones that collect their guitars. Collectors usually look at cosmetics, players usually look at feel and sound. Of all the serious guitarists I'd ever met, they were not too concerned about correcting blemishes. The guitar is a tool, an instrument to be played, and it has a story to tell. Anyway, enjoy the guitar!


Man thank you for those tips, I really appreciate them, I will let you know how I get on with refurbishment.

I know what ya mean man, I'm definately a player though Wink !!!! But I am seriously into looking after my kit, just the way me Ma brought me up!! And I've noticed I can sell it better for good price when it comes to moving on. I don't have enough guitars to be a collector!!! 5?? One is a bass? When I get a guitar I treat it like a child!! Over the top may be but it's usually cause I worked my nuts off to pay for it and it just shows how much I value it IMO.

For me amounting a guitar collection would purely be for a sound arsenal, having a number of tones at my disposal. I still haven't got the Westones yet.

I have discovered an issue with the 11th fret, it's the only fret that rattles (and boy does it rattle). So it's either the 12th fret is too high or the 11th is too low. Either way I'm going to have to get it sorted by a luthier. At the mo I can get by, but it was a little scary to discover this dud area of the neck, I though for a second something had happened at the saddle, then I realised it was just the one fret. Pretty random.

Will post some photos soon and some clips (If I can record anything without sounding to sloppy).

I have a question about the trem springs, they are dam noisey, I have muffled these on my strat, has anyone ever done this with their Dimension iv? I notice I get a little bit of feedback with the guitar, more than me strat and flying V, the noisey springs may cause excess microphonics?? Or does anyone know if the pickups in westones are potted in wax? Or has anyone done this with their pick ups? I've potted lots of pick ups over the years so I'm not afriad to do it if I have too but thought I'd ask here what the low down is with westone pickups and feedback etc etc.

Chad thanks again for those tips!!

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Post by The Chad on Tue Feb 14, 2012 3:31 pm

I'm the same way with my guitars, I completely understand. Take good care of what ya got, period!

For the springs, I hadn't experienced noisy springs before so I can't help there. Potting the pups may help, I know people have done it. Can't hurt can it? The sound is a little microphonic, that is true, I'd noticed that also. Moreso than other pups. I love it that way though. And the Dim IV that the Venom dude played appeared to be bone stock, so that sound is part of the charm. Enjoy the guitar, hope you love it!

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Post by rabidgerry on Wed Feb 15, 2012 6:09 am

The Chad wrote:I'm the same way with my guitars, I completely understand. Take good care of what ya got, period!

For the springs, I hadn't experienced noisy springs before so I can't help there. Potting the pups may help, I know people have done it. Can't hurt can it? The sound is a little microphonic, that is true, I'd noticed that also. Moreso than other pups. I love it that way though. And the Dim IV that the Venom dude played appeared to be bone stock, so that sound is part of the charm. Enjoy the guitar, hope you love it!

Totally!!! HAHAHAHAH may be I will leave it a bit microphonic, your right Venom guys feedsback a lot during that show, I have the dvd and it wails a few times, nice n noisely though if you get me lol!

The springs on my guitar are totally overly noisey, may be I'll dampen them same as I have on my strat (little bit of thin sponge under trem springs) but I'll not pot the pickups. The pickups move about a good bit also.

Chad you didn't sell me this guitar did you? It came from Pennsylvania!!!!

I will have some sound clips soon, I'm loving it so far. Was playing at home last night just doing random stuff, really stands out on its own when I was soloing with it whilst I'd rhythm strat track playing in back ground. Was good fun!!!

Alsp was playing with other settings, got some nice teleish rock n roll tones!!! Great guitar!!

Still adjusting to what height I have to play this at, I generally play my guitars very hi up!! But I kinda need to play the Dimension IV a bit lower, weird.

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Post by The Chad on Wed Feb 15, 2012 11:07 am

rabidgerry wrote:[Chad you didn't sell me this guitar did you? It came from Pennsylvania!!!!

cheers No, wasn't me, but that's cool it came from the greatest state in the Union!

If it would've been mine, I probably wouldn't have sold it. Laughing

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Post by corsair on Wed Feb 15, 2012 4:17 pm

If you take the guitar into a halfway decent paint store, they'll be ble to EXACTLY match the colour around the chip for you and either make you a spray bomb or a tin. And that yellowed white is just glorious I reckon; I have a Spectrum St and Genesis II in the same finish....

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Re: I Bought A Westone Dimension iv

Post by Barry on Wed Feb 15, 2012 4:49 pm

rabidgerry wrote:...The springs on my guitar are totally overly noisey, may be I'll dampen them same as I have on my strat (little bit of thin sponge under trem springs)...
This is the slickest way to dampen noisy springs that I've seen. No chance of the sponge working loose!LINK

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Post by hobster on Wed Feb 15, 2012 9:24 pm

Barry wrote:
rabidgerry wrote:...The springs on my guitar are totally overly noisey, may be I'll dampen them same as I have on my strat (little bit of thin sponge under trem springs)...
This is the slickest way to dampen noisy springs that I've seen. No chance of the sponge working loose!LINK

Wow, good stuff Barry, you always have great links and information. I feel i've learned alot from you, thank you for all your help. I wish i had an extra set of MMK's for you, but it looks like the Ice has you covered. You is OK my man.

Pennsylvania? Naaaaaaaaaaaaawwwwwwww not the greatest state in the land there Chad, that would be OREGON :!: Very Happy Hooked 2 beautiful steelhead today by the coast and i'll be snowboarding friday. LOVE the great Northwest.

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Re: I Bought A Westone Dimension iv

Post by rabidgerry on Thu Feb 16, 2012 8:27 am

Thanks for the link!! Can't check it here in work, they've blocked youtube!!

Will check later.

Guy's here is a really daft (stupid) question, how do you say Westone? I've been saying West -Tone but people are telling me it's West One?

West Tone makes more sense to me.

Oh and thanks Corsair for the paint advise. I know my local home depot type store does paint matching, I'm not sure if they do a spray tin though? You get these in the states?


P.s Pennsylvania is cool, Larry Holmes, George Romero ohhhhhhh and Kurt Angle!!!! geek

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Re: I Bought A Westone Dimension iv

Post by gittarasaurus on Thu Feb 16, 2012 8:47 am

rabidgerry wrote:
Guy's here is a really daft (stupid) question, how do you say Westone? I've been saying West -Tone but people are telling me it's West One?

West Tone makes more sense to me.



wes-TONE

we are talking guitars here, and that means it is all about the TONE

west one sounds like a real estate company or something...... lol!

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Post by rabidgerry on Thu Feb 16, 2012 9:42 am

gittarasaurus wrote:

wes-TONE

we are talking guitars here, and that means it is all about the TONE

west one sounds like a real estate company or something...... lol!

Yeah that's what I THOUGHT!!! But I've had lamos say West One!!! Douch bags!!!

I was trying to spell it phonetically when I typed West Tone just badly!! I've always said it like that. Laughing

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Post by Barry on Thu Feb 16, 2012 10:41 am

hobster wrote:...Wow, good stuff Barry, you always have great links and information. I feel i've learned alot from you, thank you for all your help...
You're very welcome. Happy to be of some help.

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Post by Barry on Thu Feb 16, 2012 10:53 am

gittarasaurus wrote:..wes-TONE
we are talking guitars here, and that means it is all about the TONE
(There is a thread on this very topic--somewhere.) I tend to emphasize the first syllable: Wes-tone. I don't know if that was the original intent but it seems to trip off the tongue easiest that way.

west one sounds like a real estate company or something...... lol!
It is! Seen it used in both Toronto and Vancouver real estate ads.

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Post by gittarasaurus on Thu Feb 16, 2012 11:44 am

Barry wrote:
gittarasaurus wrote:..wes-TONE
we are talking guitars here, and that means it is all about the TONE
(There is a thread on this very topic--somewhere.) I tend to emphasize the first syllable: Wes-tone. I don't know if that was the original intent but it seems to trip off the tongue easiest that way.

yes actually that is the way i pronounce it as well, i was emphasizing the 'TONE' because i believe that was part of the mindset of the name originally, not 'ONE' .

i always thought Westone was a great name for a guitar.

coming from Japan, the far east, to appeal to America, the West, and yes of course being guitars it IS all about the TONE.
i think it is a very nice conjunction of concepts to create a new name. Very Happy


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Post by The Chad on Thu Feb 16, 2012 11:53 am

Ya'll is wrong. It's "we-stone". As in, we pelt them with rocks. Seems odd though... maybe referring to the competition?! Laughing

And Hobs, that Steelhead sounds GOOD! Bet it's good with bacon. We got good bacon 'round here. Everything's better with bacon. pig

And for my friends accross the pond, you haven't lived until you've experienced our American style of Bacon (insert drooling icon here). Rashers just aren't even close I'm afraid.

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Post by corsair on Thu Feb 16, 2012 4:25 pm

rabidgerry wrote:Oh and thanks Corsair for the paint advise. I know my local home depot type store does paint matching, I'm not sure if they do a spray tin though? You get these in the states?

You're welcome, and I've had spray bombs made in New Zealand, Australia and the UK, you generally get these from firms that supply the automotive paint industry, and I'm betting there's a couple in Belfast! Very Happy

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Post by rabidgerry on Fri Feb 17, 2012 5:28 am

corsair wrote:
rabidgerry wrote:Oh and thanks Corsair for the paint advise. I know my local home depot type store does paint matching, I'm not sure if they do a spray tin though? You get these in the states?

You're welcome, and I've had spray bombs made in New Zealand, Australia and the UK, you generally get these from firms that supply the automotive paint industry, and I'm betting there's a couple in Belfast! Very Happy

my apologies Corsair, I assumed you were stateside when I said about the paint!! Yeah I gotta check the paint shop out. Too busy playing the guitar at the mo!!!


and I feel I haven't explained my self proper earlier, but I definately in the WES-TONE camp, made sense to me. 1st one I played was back in like '97 westone thunder I think, I was rubbish then but I remember thinking I didn't like the shape but it sounded great!!! I think now I don't mind the shape.

guys here is a link but if you don't like kinda metal it will probably sound c r a p!! It is a video I had made when I first got the guitar, it is pretty much straight outta the case at this point!! It isn't very co ordinated I'm just messing around so apologies to any great guitarists who see the video and think I'm a plonker lol!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXmDncbJhQg

I will hopefully get some more sounds up for you to check

Oh Oh I got access to youtube in work, and I saw the spring dampening tip!! Totally amazing. My techinique worked but I was always consious that the sponge would get caught in the trem springs when using the trem. Thanks again Barry pirat


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