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Post by Iceman on Sun Apr 01, 2012 2:46 pm

Okay... so I says to the guy, (I says...)

Seems like this spring has sprung a larger than healthy population of characters whose intent in joining here is for the sole purpose of turning a buck. Please do not misunderstand me as you will find no greater believer and promoter of the free market than I.

There is just something off-putting to me about seeing a forum dedicated to any subject grow based on what appears to be greed as a motivation. There is nothing new here, I will admit it.

Why there is assumed to be an opportunity to profit from a commonly shared enthusiasm towards a specific brand of guitar, as one example, facinates and at the same time disgusts me. While my respect and love for Westone guitars compels me to share all their wonderful attributes at the same time it pains me to know others who may (or may not) share that love and respect will use those words to support their own greedy aims and ends. This is occurring at other forums I am a member of as well so it is nothing special to just these pages. It is too bad that some of those who join here have but one thought in mind when doing so.

I, as many of you are, am just fed up to my eyeballs with that very tired and loathesome chestnut that goes something like this...

"So how much is my guitar worth then?"

Please just take it to ebay if the almighty dollar is your main concern. Please stay awhile and enjoy the vibe if you are looking for more.


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Post by Barry on Sun Apr 01, 2012 3:13 pm

Iceman wrote:...I, as many of you are, am just fed up to my eyeballs with that very tired and loathesome chestnut that goes something like this...
"So how much is my guitar worth then?"...
Let the congregation say, "Amen!"
And let us then direct our annoying brethren to the Home Page of Westoneguitars.net where that very sentiment is prominently featured!

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Post by Sgt. Vimes on Sun Apr 01, 2012 3:22 pm

Amen

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Post by Sgt. Vimes on Sun Apr 01, 2012 3:23 pm

........Corner!

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Post by grogg on Sun Apr 01, 2012 5:30 pm

Iceman wrote:Okay... so I says to the guy, (I says...)

Please just take it to ebay if the almighty dollar is your main concern. Please stay awhile and enjoy the vibe if you are looking for more.

Yessir

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Post by corsair on Sun Apr 01, 2012 6:07 pm

OK, so.... our motives are pure and we don't like to see the community sullied by gratuitous commercialism; I get that and, to a point, I agree.

However, by putting the blinkers on and sticking our fingers in our ears whilst going "Nah nah nah nah nah" is neither helpful nor healthy; we are a very small community an I'd hate to see it get SO introspective that it become a closed group, with anyone showing an interest in the value of their guitars - and let's face it, we are all interested at some level! - being unwelcome.

I don't like first posts which baldly demand we put a price on an instrument, but that's the price you pay for a site like this, and maybe the poster will become a valued member? We were all new once with no clue as to the etiquette of the site....


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Post by Guest on Sun Apr 01, 2012 7:49 pm

corsair wrote:We were all new once with no clue as to the etiquette of the site....


+1

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Post by Iceman on Sun Apr 01, 2012 7:58 pm

Your moderate temperament is a great blessing to these halls, John. I fully agree that decorum and etiquette are much of the time a learning process and any of you who are familiar with my history on this forum can correctly point to me as Exhibit A to support such a contention.

You would be hard pressed however to make a case for my behavior here to be seen as an ends to self-enrichment of a monetary basis. While I have had my moments of bad behavior in the last 13 months or so here my intentions were never and will never be to take advantage of the love and admiration you all share (as do I) of these fantastic instruments.

No one should plug their ears or stick their head into sand over what our forum is doing when it comes to the subject of the effect we have on the reputation and desirability of Westones as a whole. But when blokes (or the rare Sheila) makes a singular and specific appearance strictly to profit from our common bond of affection to the badge I say BAD FORM.

Not that is to say the same individual cannot and will not become a valued and contributing member of the herd, just that those who know they are arriving on the scene with no other motive would be better appreciated by me as not showing themselves at all.

Like I said in the thread title, it is just a vent and my hope is to contain it here. Self-realization has brought me to the point of recognizing that the overall tone of my posts have begun to become somewhat sullied by cynicism as of late. Being gimlet-eyed isn't necessarily a bad thing until it becomes too focused on poor behavior. Hopefully releasing some frustrations here will help set other matters a wee bit straighter.

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Post by corsair on Sun Apr 01, 2012 8:45 pm

That's all good, mate, and we all need to vent and bang the walls with fury at times, eh! I'm thankful that by and large, I can be hands off, as having to heavily moderate would be a PITA, and I wouldn't countenance it for a minute as I have other things going on that I can do, without the aggravation!

I know this is a bit of a mutual admiration society, but you blokes are pretty damn good at self censoring; thank you all, and long may it continue!

Perhaps a vent thread that is accessible to users with a regular and reasoned posting schedule?id have to actually figure out to do such a thing, so don't go getting your hopes up just yet!!

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Post by Brainfertilizer on Sun Apr 01, 2012 10:46 pm

On the Hamer Fan Club site, it became a running joke that the accepted price/value of any USA Hamer was $350.

I propose that our running gag is that when anyone asks us how much something is worth, we tell them, $50,000, and urge them to put it on eBay with just such a BIN price.

Then when/if someone believes us, we can have fun writing all sorts of posts about how we are still raising the money and just about ready to pull the trigger.

With luck, they'll put it on eBay enough times with a ridiculously high BIN that they'll get discouraged and accept a low-ball offer.

Confusion to the enemy!

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Post by beavis on Mon Apr 02, 2012 3:16 am

Brainfertilizer wrote:On the Hamer Fan Club site, it became a running joke that the accepted price/value of any USA Hamer was $350.

I propose that our running gag is that when anyone asks us how much something is worth, we tell them, $50,000, and urge them to put it on eBay with just such a BIN price.

A day late for an April's fool, but I think that's a good one. This forum, and its forumers, is victim of its own success.

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Post by The Chad on Mon Apr 02, 2012 3:31 pm

$350?! That's great! lol!

I agree with everyone for once, good points brought up.

There's a natural curve to a newbie...

1. They realize they've got a cool guitar
2. They seek more info on it and find us
3. They ask us for the info, which naturally includes worth
4. They either try to sell it OR they join us and enjoy it... It's the sellers that can be bothersome.

I was a newbie the same time Ice was, and we stuck around. How many haven't I wonder? Hmmm...

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Post by Micro on Mon Apr 02, 2012 6:00 pm

I was a newbie the same time Ice was, and we stuck around. How many haven't I wonder? Hmmm...

I'm still here - I don't post much. But read & learn a lot from this forum.
Just love my Spectrum & X350. Wish I could play them as well as they look. But in time ...........who knows.

As a side line - saw the Hamsters last gig in London on the weekend. They were awesome. I & thousands of followers will miss them.

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Post by norfolkngood on Mon Apr 02, 2012 7:47 pm


+1.

I found the original site having just bought a Spectrum with no strings, a hole where the jack-plug should be and covered in dust and cobwebs. First thing I wanted to know.... how much is it worth?

It wasn't about greed or making a few quid; I knew that the repairs to the electrics were beyond me and I wanted to know whether it was worth having my £20 broken guitar professionally repaired. The polite answer (might have been Polly or John) was that "as a buyer it's worth what you are prepared to pay, as a seller it's worth the highest bid on ebay." Sound advice and very true.

Like Micro, I don't post too often but I'm a frequent visitor to the site and have learnt a lot from the on-site gurus. Unfortunately (and I'm 100% with Ice on this) the more we praise our Westones to the heavens, the more attractive we make them to collectors/ investors. We know they are good guitars so no need to tell everyone else!

I missed the Hamsters farewell tour but have seen them a couple of times in the past. Play Hendrix better than err ... Hendrix. I also missed tickets for Albert Lee this week, hoping the box office might get a return or two.

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Post by Sgt. Vimes on Mon Apr 02, 2012 8:36 pm

Farewell to The Hamsters, but a big Welcome back to Dr John

http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2012/apr/01/dr-john-locked-down-review

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Post by GtrGeorge! on Mon Apr 02, 2012 10:59 pm

Hope this has nothing to do with me...
All I'm saying is that I love my Trevor Rabin Signature Guitar,that's all !!!

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Post by PaulS on Tue Apr 03, 2012 3:02 am

I saw The Hamsters at their penultimate gig at the Riga bar in Westlciff last week - their home town gig. I've been following them for many years and they were as good as they ever have been. Loved the 'acoustic' set. Sad to see them go. Did Slim do his Norfolk patter in Norfolk, I wonder?

I did a really geeky thing and sent a message to ZsaZsa asking about his bass as I'd never seen him use a EBMM before. Got a reply within a few hours and really chatty.

I can't remember why I joined here - I don't think it was to sell anything, more to ask lots of silly questions. But even if things slow down a bit there is still a mine of information to be had.

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Post by hobster on Tue Apr 03, 2012 1:35 pm

Isn't that just the way the world works? People will always want to just make a buck, and this is a free forum where they can inquire about it. I think it is perfectly natural for people to want to know what their instrument is worth and they figure we have the best idea. Its cool if they decide to stick around, if not, then their loss. I guess i'm the minority here but it doesn't really bother me a bit.

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Post by The Chad on Tue Apr 03, 2012 1:48 pm

GtrGeorge! wrote:Hope this has nothing to do with me...
All I'm saying is that I love my Trevor Rabin Signature Guitar,that's all !!!

GtrGeorge

No way, it's not about you. There have been those who have seen us as a cash cow so to speak, thinking; "where else to make money than with enthusiasts"! You're not one of them, and thanks for that!

Whether folks contribute, visit and post less frequently, or even come to us with askew motives, it really doesn't matter, does it? We're just glad to have this forum! Everybody is welcome. Well, most everybody anyhow. Laughing

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Post by Sgt. Vimes on Tue Apr 03, 2012 3:22 pm

I came here because I bought a Thunder and wanted a place to ask informed minds lots of dumb questions about it, and to see if other Westones were as good, I got all my answers thanks to you lot, and more besides.

I dont even own a westone now Embarassed but I like the people and the decor is nice!

hopefully wont be too long before I aquire another Westie :!:

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Post by GtrGeorge! on Tue Apr 03, 2012 7:38 pm

Ok then..
its cool.
Im just glad this forum exists and the majority o people here seem VERY cool.
Thanks for havin me!!!

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Post by Iceman on Tue Apr 03, 2012 8:27 pm

GtrGeorge! wrote:Ok then.. its cool. Im just glad this forum exists and the majority of people here seem VERY cool. Thanks for havin me!!! GtrGeorge

This has absolutely nothing to do with you, George. Who CAN'T dig an Alvarez signed by Yes??

I was speaking only to that all too common theme that is seemingly inseparable from any guitar forum...

That is the newbie whose intent first and foremost is to shop a guitar to make a buck and whose sole interest in a brand is as a commodity to profit from. Them guys really fry my bacon!! Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad

The only redeeming characteristic to such individuals is that they generally stick out like a sore thumb, are given little thought or attention, and in the end do not stick around for long.

In no way am I referring to any of you who have logged your miles here and I am always glad to see new faces pop up from time to time. I am only one nut in this nuthouse and my opinions are just that, opinions. For the most part I really have little to nothing to complain about here as those who post with any regularity have proven their interest to be sincere.

But as for the rest of you miscreants, be warned as you could be next...



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Venting Rant

Post by Micro on Wed Apr 04, 2012 3:16 am

Hey Iceman

Who wouldn't want to flog an Austin 1100? As John Cleese has so admirabley demonstrated.

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Post by The Chad on Wed Apr 04, 2012 8:50 am

Oh man, Basil Fawlty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! cheers Hilarious!!!!

And I too like GtrGeorge. He thinks we're cool?! Cool What a smart man. king

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Post by Barry on Wed Apr 04, 2012 9:01 am

Funniest sitcom ev-er!
Must dig out me Fawlty Towers DVD's and remind meself what comedy is. Had it up to here with the drivel on TV these days.

And yes, we are a kewl lot. Yes we are.

Hey, did somebody open a window or sumpthin'? It's...kewl in here...oh, that's what he means Neutral

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