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Post by Guest on Tue Sep 18, 2012 8:29 pm

Barry wrote:
sarcaster wrote:...I haven't stained a guitar before so let's hope it comes out good.
Lookin' mighty fine Sarc. You should consider a sealer first to prevent excessive "wicking" of the colour into the raw wood. Also makes it a tad easier to make corrections or changes. Laughing

I didn't use sealer figuring that the maple would not be very pourous. Now on the mahogony neck pieces may be a different thing, but we will see as the staining has begun!

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Post by Guest on Tue Sep 18, 2012 8:31 pm

First I gave the wood a bit of water to raise the grain a bit.

After drying I used some 320 Grit very lightly to knock down the grain and make it even


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Post by Guest on Tue Sep 18, 2012 8:34 pm

Next up was mixing some Black stain - about 1 1/2 oz to 1 pint of stain. Yes that is gonna be dark, but I want to start dark, then lighten it up pretty good before adding the color.

Here is the darkest looking 350 I've ever seen - You can really see the flame under it all - let's hope it still pops after the color:


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Post by Guest on Tue Sep 18, 2012 8:35 pm


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Post by corsair on Tue Sep 18, 2012 9:34 pm

Ooooh... pretty!! Think just how cracking this would be with a trans black finish... maybe with a little purple pearl in the black.... yummy!! Cool

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Post by Guest on Tue Sep 18, 2012 9:42 pm

The black would look good I agree but......

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Post by Guest on Wed Sep 19, 2012 8:38 am

This is how it looks after sanding lightly with 320grit to take off the top of the black, it is also wet from a thinner to help remove the dust - Has a unique look to it as it stands



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Post by Guest on Wed Sep 19, 2012 8:39 am

Next up is adding the first coat of color and see how it turns out.

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Post by Guest on Wed Sep 19, 2012 11:18 am




Blue it is.



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Post by Westbone on Wed Sep 19, 2012 12:06 pm

Very good.

Going to look the dogs bollox with the lacquer..Smile

How's the back and the neck looking?

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Post by Guest on Wed Sep 19, 2012 12:55 pm

The back looks pretty plain since it isn't flamed. I'm starting to think a coat of blue with some black in it so it is darker, like a burst, but not one that creeps to the front - Basically the back is boring. The back of the neck I may do the same - but I'm going to give the front a bit of sanding tonight to bring out the brightness of the high spots on the front, and maybe the maple laminates of the neck. So some tweaking still to be done with the color.

But I agree - the lacquer is where it will really shine - no pun intended.

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Post by Guest on Thu Sep 20, 2012 9:10 pm

Sprayed the Sanding Lacquer on the guitar - it's not a shiny finish but I guess more like a filler. After a night of drying I will sand a bit and add the headstock logo (I think it might look better without it). Then this weekend the glossy lacquer goes on.

The pic of the body is a little overexposed looking - it is darker blue in person - but dang, the flame looks a lot stronger than the original amber.


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Post by Guest on Thu Sep 20, 2012 9:11 pm

This pic shows the color more like it looks in person:



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Post by corsair on Fri Sep 21, 2012 12:54 am

Oh, mate; that is gonna be just a bit special, eh!!

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Post by Guest on Mon Sep 24, 2012 10:22 pm

Ok, I put down some of Stewmac's sanding lacquer, and then sanded and applied the logo



not a great pic but it was dark in my garage when I took the pic. It's slightly crooked, and not very noticeable which I am fine with.



But, after that I used the Stewmac clear lacquer and what a waste of time that crap is. First time using it, and it dripped, spit, sputtered all over the place - I followed their recommendations (shake for at least a minute, soak the can in hot water blah blah) and after a few shots, I had to move to another can as it was that bad. I tried 4 different cans and they all were terrible, so I had to let it dry and, then sand back down to color, then spray a new brand (which is awesome) tonight. Night and day difference.

I have bought a lot of stuff from Stewmac, but will never get lacquer from there again - keep away folks - it really sucks.

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Post by corsair on Tue Sep 25, 2012 1:13 am

Bugger! Still, no real harm done, eh?! I've used Cabothanes clear gloss on the U 60 on the recommendation of 4 individual tradies, and its worked out just fine!

That flame is just the ducks guts; like it!

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Post by Guest on Tue Sep 25, 2012 9:04 am

the ducks guts?...that's a new one to me, but hopefully it means something good Smile

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Post by mortarman120gang11c on Tue Sep 25, 2012 11:54 am

Flame is looking great. Looks like the new product works well indeed. Great work.

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Re: Pantera X350MA Restore

Post by Barry on Tue Sep 25, 2012 1:43 pm

sarcaster wrote:the ducks guts?...that's a new one to me, but hopefully it means something good Smile
You'll find them just above the duck's nuts. clown

Looking really good Sarc. The flame. Not the nuts.

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Post by Guest on Thu Sep 27, 2012 10:28 pm

Ok, did all of the wet sanding tonight and then as I was getting some of the light compound done I took these pics. this is Not the final buff, but damn, it is looking good if I do say so my self. It's the best refinish I've done to date, and I now I HAVE to redo my x390 now that I have learned so much since that one. Final buff tomorrow, then put her back together this weekend.



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Post by Guest on Thu Sep 27, 2012 10:32 pm

O crap - where did I put the truss rod cover?

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Post by corsair on Fri Sep 28, 2012 1:47 am

Sweet jeebus, that's nice!!

Hope you find the TRC....

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Post by Guest on Fri Sep 28, 2012 8:52 am

I was kidding - I got the TRC Smile - although it really would suck to lose it.

but I did forget to wet sand it - at least that should go pretty quick

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Post by Sgt. Vimes on Fri Sep 28, 2012 12:56 pm

You should be very proud of yourself, thats a cracking job, well done!

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Post by Westbone on Fri Sep 28, 2012 1:11 pm

That's looking good.

What happened up the side of the fingerboard where it meets the body?

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Post by Guest on Fri Sep 28, 2012 6:27 pm

Westbone wrote:That's looking good.

What happened up the side of the fingerboard where it meets the body?

good eye eh - It is a bit of the tinted amber that I thought was all gone, and did not notice till I put the stain on that it would not apply there. I did not want to mess with the coat of stain (first time trying it) so I figured I'd leave that one tiny little bit hoping no one would notice Smile

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Post by westcoaster on Fri Sep 28, 2012 7:48 pm

That is a thing of beauty and a brave colour choice which has really paid off for you. Can't wait to see it all nailed together. Take a bow.

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Post by grogg on Sat Sep 29, 2012 5:54 am

That looks gorgeous, good job Sarc.

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Post by Guest on Sat Sep 29, 2012 10:23 pm

Thanks for the compliments folks

I finished the final buff and started to put it back together - took this shot:



and as I started adding the rest of the parts, I had to stop - all the parts are aged, ugly and worn. So I think I will be replacing most of the stuff.

The tuners are good. I need new PUP rings, screws, 3 way switch, replacement pots to split coils, jack (needs to be black, current is chrome)

The biotch is the BMD. I know there was a black BMD on Ebay about a year ago that looked new - wish I grabbed it. My current one is in dire need of a good cleaning/rust removal /painting?





It's just going to look Wrong on this guitar now - know what I mean?
If anyone has a clean BMD that is black - I got a Chrome one in perfect condition for trade - maybe I will post in the for sale/trade threads

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Post by corsair on Sun Sep 30, 2012 9:07 am

Get it replated in black....

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Post by The Chad on Mon Oct 01, 2012 8:50 am

Sand and repaint. Or better yet, find another Westie with the same trem in good condition and buy it. Trade trems on it, and then turn around and resell the guitar (now with your old trem on it, let somebody else sand and paint it). That way you'll be out minimal money and you'll have a great looking trem for the ocean blue Pantera.

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Post by hobster on Mon Oct 01, 2012 10:36 am

Stellar job Sarc! Looks excellent, wish i had a black BM but my spare is chrome too. It'll take some time but you could get that sucker looking new.

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Post by Westbone on Tue Oct 02, 2012 3:20 am

sarcaster wrote:
Westbone wrote:That's looking good.

What happened up the side of the fingerboard where it meets the body?

good eye eh - It is a bit of the tinted amber that I thought was all gone, and did not notice till I put the stain on that it would not apply there. I did not want to mess with the coat of stain (first time trying it) so I figured I'd leave that one tiny little bit hoping no one would notice Smile

As nice as it's come out.

Thought you would have corrected that bit. It looks like an unfinished job

After coming so far..

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Post by Guest on Tue Oct 02, 2012 8:17 am

I'm looking into plating it - I know some one who does it, but looks like a LOT of detail work to get it cleaned - the rust seems to be the biggest issue there.

I also found some flame maple PUP rings that I am wondering if they would look good on it if I stained them the same - something to think about.

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Post by Guest on Tue Oct 02, 2012 8:29 am

Westbone wrote:
As nice as it's come out.

Thought you would have corrected that bit. It looks like an unfinished job

After coming so far..

It was not noticable till the stain was down, and I was worried about sanding it out and restaining - I think that may have made things worse, but it really is a small bit that I'm ok with. As long as nothing else goes ary Smile

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Post by Westbone on Tue Oct 02, 2012 12:46 pm

The guy that likes sanding....missed a bit...Twisted Evil

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Post by Guest on Tue Oct 02, 2012 1:54 pm

Westbone wrote:The guy that likes sanding....missed a bit...Twisted Evil

and was very tired of the sanding this time - I'm thinking maybe 9 hrs total on this one. No more Pantera sanding for me



unless I find another 350 or 390 in dire need of it Smile

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Post by Guest on Sun Oct 14, 2012 10:40 pm

So I ordered a bunch of stuff to get this going and thought...wait since I have a near mint chrome BMD, why not use that?

So what do you think:
Chrome BMD, cream PUP rings, cream switch cover

or

wait for the nice black BMD, or make mine nicer, and use the black PUP rings?

I'm leaning towards the chrome at the moment - with the cream rings, and then wait to find a set of chrome westone tuners - it would look more PRSish in the long run and brighten it up a bit

To be honest, I', in flux right now on what I want the final parts to be. I got my awesome knobs from Tiv, and the rest I have options.

I'm also thinking of putting in some semour duncan PUPs in it (my fav set) as I think when this is done, this is gonna be my fav player as well as a looker.

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Post by corsair on Sun Oct 14, 2012 11:40 pm

I've got a set of chrome tuners around here somewhere...

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Post by Guest on Sun Oct 14, 2012 11:53 pm

corsair wrote:I've got a set of chrome tuners around here somewhere...

Oy - I know ya got 6 inline, and they were mint my friend, I need 3 +3 eh

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Post by corsair on Mon Oct 15, 2012 2:56 am

hee hee hee.....

I've only got a set of inlines in black, bro... sorry!

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Post by Barry on Mon Oct 15, 2012 10:14 am

sarcaster wrote:...So what do you think:
Chrome BMD, cream PUP rings, cream switch cover...
I'm ordinarily not wild about chrome pickup covers (or covers, period, for that matter) but I think it would look good here. And creme trim? Absolutely!
Black might be too dulling and detract from that beautiful finish.
Then again, zebra pups in creme...mmm, tasty. What a Face

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Post by The Chad on Mon Oct 15, 2012 11:47 am

Cream and chrome would look nice. More classy than black. And if you don't like it you can just change them later.

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Post by Westbone on Mon Oct 15, 2012 1:19 pm

You'll be needing something like this.

Send me a PM if interested.


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Re: Pantera X350MA Restore

Post by Guest on Tue Oct 16, 2012 9:15 am

Here's a look with the PUP covers removed and the light PUP rings and switch tip and with the chrome BMD.

hmmm. I think it looks good like this, and also with the all black look too. Maybe I'll change it up from time to time.



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Post by The Chad on Tue Oct 16, 2012 9:21 am

Oh yeah, classy like that just like I was seeing in me head. Original black knobs will be used I assume. Sweet!

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Post by Westbone on Tue Oct 16, 2012 12:52 pm

All black and chrome.

Seems to busy with the cream. Ditto chad, black knobs or chrome???

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Post by Sgt. Vimes on Tue Oct 16, 2012 3:07 pm

Wow, I could do naughty things with a pretty lady like that Twisted Evil
the chrome looks great in that combo

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