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Post by Westbone on Fri Dec 14, 2012 3:23 am

drsyn67 wrote:My digital camera is with a friend, so here is a link with a guitar that has the same issue. If you scroll down to the sixth photo (second row of images) and enlarge it, you'll see how close the low E string is to the edge of the fretboard, and how far over/up the high E is (and away from its edge!)

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Westone-Spectum-LX-guitar-Matsumoku-with-vintage-case-/121035795553?pt=Guitar&hash=item1c2e4bac61


Think the e string is trapped in the b string slot at the nut.

No way could it be that far out.

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Post by drsyn67 on Fri Dec 14, 2012 7:09 am

LOL, Westbone - I thought the same thing. If you toggle between photos 5 and 6 with it enlarged, you'll see it isn't. The damn'd bridge is that far out of line.

More disturbingly, I went thru Forum Member photos of Dynasty's here and found that four out of the five had exactly the same issue (the one that did not was white and was one of the two with the great Space Invaders inlays). I found the same thing with the ones on Ebay (including searches on Completed Items... yes, I have some spare time Smile I love my Westies, but this quality issue is nagging at me.

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Post by The Chad on Fri Dec 14, 2012 9:42 am

I know what you mean, the shims work for sure.

What I'm saying is that the pocket on a lot of these Dynasty's won't always hold the neck in alignment as it should be, allowing for the greater tension of the lower strings to pull it out of alignment over time (with a set of .010's on a guitar, there's over a 7lb. tension difference favoring the low stings side). That's why loosening the bolts, realigning the neck and re-tightening the bolts will work.

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Post by gittarasaurus on Fri Dec 14, 2012 10:30 am

maybe this is a good application for the neck bolts with metal inserts.

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Post by Westbone on Fri Dec 14, 2012 12:40 pm

drsyn67 wrote:LOL, Westbone - I thought the same thing. If you toggle between photos 5 and 6 with it enlarged, you'll see it isn't. The damn'd bridge is that far out of line.

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No mate that is a very loose string flopping about.

There is no way it'll be out like that on 1 string. All 6 would be affected.

A lot depends on the angle of the photos your inspecting.

Do you honestly think there's loads of guitars out there with way off bridges , folks wouldn't have bought them in the first place.

Things get bashed and knocked over the years. Just correct it! It's no big deal.

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Post by The Chad on Fri Dec 14, 2012 1:23 pm

I know that I've been bashed and knocked about over the years. Razz

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Post by drsyn67 on Fri Dec 14, 2012 1:59 pm

Crikey! I had hoped I wouldn't have to download all these photos and make a collage to get my point across. In this photo you'll see that the top wound string (low E) is almost on the very edge of the fretboard on these seven different Dynasty guitars (mine is not even included here!) A few of these images are from a bit of an angle, so one or two may not be that bad... but the rest look like my guitar. Member guitars are featured here (names are withheld to protect their innocence).


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Post by drsyn67 on Fri Dec 14, 2012 2:10 pm

~ Maybe there ARE loads of guitars with way off bridges??? I don't know - this just has me wondering. The image above shows the strings off on all of these (not just the low-E... and that's what I have meant... everything is off-center with more open room of fretboard to the right of the high E and less fretboard to the left of the low E).

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Post by The Chad on Fri Dec 14, 2012 2:35 pm

That's how a lot of them are, the neck adjustment trick works just fine. I wonder if it would help to put a piece of double sided sandpaper in the neck pocket to keep it from slipping? I bet it would.

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Post by Guest on Fri Dec 14, 2012 2:51 pm

I wonder if they tend to move after a few years.

On these guitars there is very little contact with the body and neck unlike some bolt ons - think of how strats and teles have additional body material to contact the neck (I assume for stability)

So maybe they were fine out of the factory and moved a bit ove time? Just a thought.

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Post by The Chad on Fri Dec 14, 2012 3:01 pm

My thoughts too, Sarc.

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Post by Barry on Fri Dec 14, 2012 9:01 pm

It's all speculation of course relying on photos, but I think some movement over time on the Dynasty is possible too, especially if the pocket on the slim side. The sandpaper idea wouldn't hurt, as long as it doesn't bugger things up worse (too thick).

The trebel E on that Specky is busted and flopping about like Damian commented so let's rule that one out eh?

What's interesting to me is that the strings appear to be centred, as you would expect, over the single coil's poles, not perfectly, still a bit shy on the trebel side, but that indicates to me that at least the bridge and the centre pup are in agreement.

Where it all seems to go ka-ka is up the neck. So, some neck misalignment may be part of the problem and side-shimming the neck should help.

I was thinking maybe the saddle spacing was off but that would hold true on other models with similar results, and I'm not aware of any other similar issues. Anyone?

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Post by drsyn67 on Fri Dec 14, 2012 10:33 pm

DONE! I failed to take "before and after" photos, but THE CHAD's suggestion worked magnificently! I really should put this thing in the car and drive 14-hours north to thank him in person... Maybe this was a Beginning Guitar Maintenance 101 trick that everyone knew - but I did not. It was monumental. Chad, if you are about to rock, I salute you. Thanks!

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Re: POINTY MODELS question

Post by The Chad on Mon Dec 17, 2012 3:59 pm

I knew it would work. Glad to hear it! If it slips again, you know what to do.

Isn't it a great feeling to fix it?!

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