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Post by Warrn on Sun Jul 21, 2013 6:13 pm

Of all the finishes to ruin! Sad

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Post by Sgt. Vimes on Sun Jul 21, 2013 7:21 pm

Barry wrote:Oh dear. tongue 
It's Deja vu all over again for me (and probably John too for that matter).

Don't know what it is with these models but they do seem to invite abuse, particularly around the neck pocket. If you have nothing else to do with your life you might find my sad tale somewhat entertaining... Urchin U60T Resto

Yer not alone matey. We're right behind you. (Snickering softly) Head Bang

 Thanks for the support! 
I also read your urchin resto thread yesterday Barry, a lovely save there, well done!

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Post by Sgt. Vimes on Sun Jul 21, 2013 7:26 pm

corsair wrote:At least yours is in one piece, bro!!

(Also giggling quietly...)

 Well it is for now, things might change depending the frustration factor coupled with my short patience!Angry 2 

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Post by Sgt. Vimes on Sun Jul 21, 2013 7:29 pm

Warrn wrote:Of all the finishes to ruin! Sad

 truly baffling Don\'t Know 
luckily they only covered the neck and headstock in that crud, looks 99% savable!

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Post by Sgt. Vimes on Sun Jul 21, 2013 7:34 pm

Have you guys ever used pure acetone for paint removal? what are my chances of going through the original clear and paint ? I've read acetone will eat up nitro, but I'm unsure of the finish on these Arias.
 I used an acetone nail varnish remover on the neck without any issues but I presume its a weaker solution what with the aromas and oils n such...

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Post by Barry on Sun Jul 21, 2013 8:07 pm

Sgt. Vimes wrote: Thanks for the support! 
I also read your urchin resto thread yesterday Barry, a lovely save there, well done!
Cheers, but for sheer Lazarus-like ingenuity you gotta give John the prize! Swamp Thing!

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Post by Barry on Sun Jul 21, 2013 8:15 pm

Sgt. Vimes wrote:
Warrn wrote:Of all the finishes to ruin! Sad

 truly baffling Don\'t Know 
luckily they only covered the neck and headstock in that crud, looks 99% savable!
Yeah, that's one of my favourites too. It'll be terrific if you can save it. The original finish should be the same as our beloved Westones. I don't think acetone will do much if anything to disturb it. If the red crud was a rattle can application it should just melt away. But I'd wipe it off as soon as possible just to be safe

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Post by Sgt. Vimes on Sun Jul 21, 2013 8:17 pm

Yep, John's is beautiful indeed, the bar has been firmly set!

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Post by Sgt. Vimes on Sun Jul 21, 2013 8:25 pm

Barry wrote:If the red crud was a rattle can application it should just melt away. But I'd wipe it off as soon as possible just to be safe

 As far as I can tell it is a rattlecan job, but not just one..no! looks to be red undercoat, red, glitter then something textured with gold glitter...has a real 100grit sandpaper finish!

what frightens me is what colour schemes have adorned this in the past....in the control cavity and neck heel is evidence of neon green, orange and pink!...affraid  terrifying.

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Post by mortarman120gang11c on Sun Jul 21, 2013 8:47 pm

The original color is awe inspiring. Great score.

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Post by corsair on Sun Jul 21, 2013 9:56 pm

Mate, you'll be fine; if I can do this stuff then you can can too!!

I saw the back of the neck on Arthur's at the EF yesterday; I didn't know that the green burst extended there - Uncle Matt wasn't fooling about, was he!!

Looking forward to pictures, bro!!

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Post by G.A.S. man on Tue Jul 23, 2013 5:37 am

you beat me too it bud... Thought it be a deluxe with hardwear Pete mate...
Looks like it can be  saved.. The neck pocket crack isn't to bad but rear veneure will need replacing if doing it stock...  
The respray jobs should wash off fine but wipe off excess asap..
Can't wait to see how its getting on..               Good luck with her mate..If me an Dan can help just give call Pete
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Post by Sgt. Vimes on Tue Jul 23, 2013 7:58 am

Thanks man, I think the crack can be glued, clamped and hidden with some creative burst edging ;-)
hopefully the acetone will be there when I get home so I can have a blast at it tonight.
Pics to follow.

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Post by The Chad on Tue Jul 23, 2013 10:39 am

Love a good project!  Good catch Sarge.  Love those big chunky frets.

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Post by Sgt. Vimes on Tue Jul 23, 2013 12:13 pm

Me too mate, but they may not be so big when I've finished with them!

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Post by mortarman120gang11c on Tue Jul 23, 2013 6:14 pm

If you need any photos as a reference then just ask ..

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Post by Sgt. Vimes on Tue Jul 23, 2013 6:53 pm

Will do, Thanks!

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Post by Sgt. Vimes on Sat Jul 27, 2013 4:33 am

So a little unhappy update....removed all the ghastly paint from front and back to find most of the ash veneer sanded away Crying or Very sad 


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Might just be able to save this if I give it a thicker black edge on the burst.....or a new veneer.....I had a brief look and found some lovely matched burr walnut veneers......daunting task for moi...pale

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Post by Westbone on Sat Jul 27, 2013 3:01 pm

Umm, if you want some similar figured veneer, send me a pm.

Could salvage a new burst on there, just about!!

Would you do it green burst again?

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Post by Westbone on Sat Jul 27, 2013 3:06 pm

The edge of the burst would be better in a dark green/black.

Would also give more scope as you fade into the limited area.

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Post by Sgt. Vimes on Sat Jul 27, 2013 5:00 pm

Well, I figure there's no harm in trying to salvage this first, though I am taken with the narrow black edge on the original which I wont be able to get with this one.
Definitely green again, and I'm a little unsure if it will come out ok with the remnants of red still there.

suck it and see

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Post by Sgt. Vimes on Sat Jul 27, 2013 5:01 pm

I'll pm you  after Ive had a try with this, cheers

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Re: Why oh Why?

Post by corsair on Sat Jul 27, 2013 7:38 pm

I can vouch for Damian's veneer; he was kind enough to sell me a bit for my Urchin.

Though, I have to say, I reckon that's would come up OK.... remember to do a black stain first to bring the grain up, eh!!

Do you want some of the stain I have on hand? The green is beautiful... and free!!

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Post by Sgt. Vimes on Sat Jul 27, 2013 11:05 pm

Thanks for the offer John, but I think I've lined up a Rothco & Frost Emerald green and a black from them too.
definitely going with black first, and the green looks a good match...though I can clearly see the laminate join under the veneer I wonder if it will show after staining..?

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Re: Why oh Why?

Post by Barry on Sun Jul 28, 2013 11:28 am

Pete, you may want to rethink your colour choice mate. Not trying to be an alarmist but Green over Red will yield Brown, or at least a dirty version thereof.

Even though there is only a small amount of residual red in the grain it may be enough to bollox the works. Adding black should darken it, but there still may be a reddish tinge.

When I restored an old Vantage AV310 it had been rattle canned with blue paint which penetrated deeply into the grain. Couldn't get it out completely. So, instead of finishing in the creme colour I had wanted, I ended up staying with a blue which worked with the residual colour instead of fighting it. Came out very well in the end.

A red burst would be stunning on this too. Wink

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Post by Sgt. Vimes on Sun Jul 28, 2013 2:29 pm

My thinking exactly Barry, that and the fact I can see the laminate join clearly has made me change my mind and contact has been established with Mr bone with the view to acquiring a new veneer ;-)

The factory red burst IS rather nice, but green it is!

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