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Post by Sgt. Vimes on Fri Jul 18, 2014 11:57 am

The weather is fine, the projects are none and the guitar funds aren't too bad, so here goes!








SO..the body and neck are in great physical shape, just a couple small dinks here n there, but...the finish is worn off in places under the (horrid) paint job so its a total refinish from bare wood jobbie, including the neck as it had been revarnished at some point.
The gain circuit functions ok, at least it seems to without strings and tapping the coils.

We all know the "light oak" original finish looks great, been there..where I havent been is

http://forum.westoneguitars.net/t339-thunder-i-a-restoration
or
http://forum.westoneguitars.net/t2334-westone-thunder-1a
or even

yeah that last one aint no Westone, but the colour is ace!

I can't decide, stain and clear or tinted nitro deal..I put it to the board and ask for suggestions (with photo evidence if poss)

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Re: Back from the dead, T1a restoration

Post by Catalyst on Fri Jul 18, 2014 3:36 pm

I saw this on the bay mate.....too much for me to attempt.

Imo, the grain is all important with some of these finishes....it might be an idea to totally strip it and see what ya got before deciding which way to go.
Love the green, but the grain really sets it off....if the grain ain't all that then maybe the one shown on your second link 'toffee burst' might be a better option...as that also looks really good.
May the force be with you on this one.  Cool

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Re: Back from the dead, T1a restoration

Post by Sgt. Vimes on Fri Jul 18, 2014 3:59 pm

Yep, my grain is a tad nondescript,  my first thought was strip and tru-oil,  that's what the neck is getting.

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Re: Back from the dead, T1a restoration

Post by corsair on Fri Jul 18, 2014 5:36 pm

As far as restorations go, this is a good one, eh; really just lots of sanding and finishing!! Oh, and making some covers... unless you're going to go with a packing tape motif?!  Laughing 
That see-through green is stunning; I really like that one! If the figuring is fit for purpose, the world is your oyster.... trans black or purple.... maybe even a graphic of some kind? The Angel of the North or the Millennium Bridge??
I like graphic finishes....

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Re: Back from the dead, T1a restoration

Post by Sgt. Vimes on Fri Jul 18, 2014 6:27 pm

Angel of the North?  Good lord no!  Gormley can kiss my arse No 
Nah graphics aren't really my cuppa,  trans black or purple could be good.

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Post by corsair on Fri Jul 18, 2014 9:33 pm

Ahhh, but you're a funny lot up there!! When we visited in 2010, the received wisdom was that the Angel polarised opinion like billy-o, and so it did, with the general feeling being that it was a blight on the landscape! However - and this is as a visitor who'll probably never see it again, sadly - I thought it was wonderful, even if Polly said it looked like a crashed Dornier!

Anyway, trans black is really cool...

http://www.edroman.com/customshop/color/transblack.htm

... and I likethe purple too...

http://www.paulreedsmith.org/1992-paul-reed-smith-ce-24-rare-purple-with-maple-board/

... like I said, the world is your oyster! Are you tempted to do something original? I know these days I certainly am...  Cool  Very Happy

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Re: Back from the dead, T1a restoration

Post by Sgt. Vimes on Sat Jul 19, 2014 1:51 am

A crashed Dornier! haha never made the connection before  Laughing 
I am thinking something original, at least something that wasn't factory, willembad's trans blue is just delightful but maybe my grain and my skillset isnt ready for that just yet, though nothing ventured nothing gained eh?
I will have to stick to aerosols as I have no compressor/gun setup....yet, anyone had experience with 2K aerosol?

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Re: Back from the dead, T1a restoration

Post by Barry on Sat Jul 19, 2014 11:11 am

Sgt. Vimes wrote:...nothing ventured nothing grained eh?
There. Fixed.

Hey, I'd stay away from aerosols. Go with a wiping stain. Love that green, but I'm a sucker for trans black.

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Re: Back from the dead, T1a restoration

Post by Sgt. Vimes on Sat Jul 19, 2014 11:15 am

hehe thanks  Very Happy 

The thing is...I already have a lovely green stain (spirit based) and a black one too...call me cheap but I'm looking at spending NO further monies on this if I can help it.
Tru oil on top of spirit based stain....will it smudge?

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Re: Back from the dead, T1a restoration

Post by Catalyst on Sat Jul 19, 2014 11:35 am

Sgt. Vimes wrote:....will it smudge?
 Don't think it'll matter....you have seen its current condition?  Laughing 

Whatever you do will be an improvement....go for it mate, this is your moment to cast aside inhibitions and go with whatever you fancy.
If you have snotty green lying about then I say go green.

Worst that can happen is that you really f*** it up - and then you can part it out eh?  Wink ....see my plan?

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Re: Back from the dead, T1a restoration

Post by Sgt. Vimes on Sat Jul 19, 2014 11:37 am

Ha! very cunning, as cunning as a fox what used to be Professor of Cunning at Oxford University but has moved on and is now working for the U.N. at the High Commission of International Cunning Planning.

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Re: Back from the dead, T1a restoration

Post by Catalyst on Sat Jul 19, 2014 11:40 am

lol!  very good Blackadder

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Re: Back from the dead, T1a restoration

Post by Sgt. Vimes on Wed Jul 23, 2014 5:42 pm

Well Ive been ploughing through tons of pics of guitars and wood finishing and mostly drawing a blank, though one thought keeps resurfacing and that is the beautiful olive green of the Burns Marquee



leaving the trad maple center natural and no burst.
I will almost definately use a stain then clear/oil for ease and practicality, just finding an olive stain is tricky.

what think you lot?

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Post by Meadows on Wed Jul 23, 2014 6:46 pm

Loving the green and if you can get some red and gold in there as well you may well have a buyer already lined up  Cool 

Link http://i810.photobucket.com/albums/zz25/tshamone/glassy2.jpg

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Re: Back from the dead, T1a restoration

Post by Sgt. Vimes on Wed Jul 23, 2014 6:49 pm

Lord have mercy!

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Re: Back from the dead, T1a restoration

Post by Meadows on Wed Jul 23, 2014 6:52 pm

I can sort of see that working on a thunder with the through neck, three distinct body sections????  Twisted Evil

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Re: Back from the dead, T1a restoration

Post by Sgt. Vimes on Wed Jul 23, 2014 6:53 pm

Haa, you might be on to something there!

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Re: Back from the dead, T1a restoration

Post by Barry on Wed Jul 23, 2014 7:46 pm

Sgt. Vimes wrote:...just finding an olive stain is tricky. what think you lot?
I think all you would need to do is add a small amount of black to the green to darken it. Lots of experimentation needed to get what you want I suppose.

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Re: Back from the dead, T1a restoration

Post by Sgt. Vimes on Wed Jul 23, 2014 7:58 pm

Hmm, i thought adding a little brown or orange, but google says a tiny spot of black and brown/or orange, so we both be right  Smile 

Is it common for a spirit based stain to smudge and move when a second coat hits it? I found it really difficult to stop that happening on the Urchin.
Is water based the way to go?

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Re: Back from the dead, T1a restoration

Post by Sgt. Vimes on Wed Jul 23, 2014 8:02 pm

heh
OLIVE

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Re: Back from the dead, T1a restoration

Post by Sgt. Vimes on Sun Jul 27, 2014 7:22 pm





On Saturday I got all my gear together to start sanding this down, only to realise my sander died when stripping down the Raider a couple months back....so a quick jaunt down to the woefully understocked Homebase to get a little palm jobbie.
Apart from a few deep seeped stains the body is in great nick, the brasswork has had a first coat of clear too.
Had the first body sand shot in photoshop trying to come up with something cool, teal? aqua? pink??
too hard to decide, but I want to avoid browns as they've been done.
Definately going for an oil finish, the high gloss poly job is just going to be too expensive and time consuming, plus I have the oil here  Smile 


it looks like this has had 3 paint jobs over the years, black, blue and that last silver horror show, some was undercoated, some not.
I'm happy to leave the dark remnants in the grain there as it'll have a black wash and sandback before I colour it, I could keep sanding forever trying to get that out!.

so fellas, I want more colour ideas, black burst is interesting, but not sure how it will look with the maple separating the wings.

Purple maybe?

hell I don't know!

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Re: Back from the dead, T1a restoration

Post by corsair on Sun Jul 27, 2014 10:58 pm

Wish I could help beyond suggesting trans black or trans purple, Sarge....  Cool 

I mean, I'm struggling with the finish for my project guitar far less offering anything valid for yours!! Laughing Laughing 

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Re: Back from the dead, T1a restoration

Post by Meadows on Mon Jul 28, 2014 2:20 am

Looking good Sarg

You have probably already done this but this link to various wood stains might be of some help, good luck

Move the slider along to see more images

http://modthesims.info/d/480222

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Re: Back from the dead, T1a restoration

Post by Sgt. Vimes on Mon Jul 28, 2014 3:04 am

Choosing colours isn't meant to be this hard!, I mean, it's so permanent unless I want to end up with a wafer thin body. 
I love teal and turquoise guitars, but on this?  I 'unno. 
Si, cheers for the link, but been there already and the choices make my head hurt!

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Re: Back from the dead, T1a restoration

Post by Meadows on Mon Jul 28, 2014 3:34 am

Along the Teal line, with the thru neck

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41LAowLTtkL._SY300_.jpg

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