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Post by Sgt. Vimes on Sun Aug 10, 2014 6:53 am

Thanks!

All the danish oil I've seen up close has had a tint to it, plus is it right that danish takes a lot longer to dry than the blended oils like Tru etc?

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Post by Westbone on Sun Aug 10, 2014 8:25 am

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Blackfriar-Danish-Oil-Clear-Satin-Finish-500ml-/170721417162?pt=UK_DIY_Material_Paint_Varnish_MJ&hash=item27bfca17ca

Doesn't take long to dry. Depends how much you put on.

Clear lacquer would have looked good on that.

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Post by Sgt. Vimes on Sun Aug 10, 2014 8:28 am

Thanks mate!

I put on miniscule coats, I learned that lesson early doors!
Clear would have looked good, but this tinted TRU looks superb in the flesh!

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Post by Westbone on Sun Aug 10, 2014 9:45 am

It is a nice colour.

Reminds me of those Skylark models.

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Re: Back from the dead, T1a restoration

Post by Catalyst on Sun Aug 10, 2014 1:00 pm

looking very good sarge and does indeed look like those Skylarks...also very similar to my CS350 as well  Cool 

I thought the grain originally looked a bit 'meh' but that blue colour really makes the most of it.

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Re: Back from the dead, T1a restoration

Post by Sgt. Vimes on Sun Aug 10, 2014 2:03 pm

Thanks Cat, the black grain filler makes a huge difference in making it stand out.

I honestly can't believe how good this is looking, I've done 3 coats, then wire wool to take out the tiny imperfections, then another 2 super thin coats and believe it or not it's done!
2 days for finishing....amazing.
Just gave the neck it's first micron thin coat, rubbing it deep into the grain until it looks like there's nowt on it, just 2 more of those should give me what I'm looking for  Very Happy 

while I do the neck (2 days), fret dress and polish (1 day) the body will sit to properly dry out, I'll leave it a week then a light buffing to not quite gloss but a tad more than satin.

Bloomin' luvverly!

pics when we get some sun.......

Cat I saw your cs350 pic in the family thread, very nice indeedy!

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Post by Barry on Sun Aug 10, 2014 4:19 pm

Luverly Pete!  cyclops 
You should really be able to play the Blues on that baby!  clown

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Re: Back from the dead, T1a restoration

Post by Sgt. Vimes on Sun Aug 10, 2014 4:28 pm

Laughing 

Seeing as how I already have a (newly acquired) Red T1a with the MMK's.......
I have a few options here...Tonerider Generator pair?
A pair of Dimarzio K-10 Hondo OEM jobbies that I recently adapted to cut their coils...they sound superb in single coil mode and so extremely simple to do..tape off, the coil joining wire is already exposed so a simple solder and heatshrink deal and new fabric tape winding, fanny's yer aunt! cracking!
SD jazz N and a 59 B maybe?
GFS fat pat ..
OR...I have a pair of cream MMK45's....
I'd love to hear a pair of the mmk 53's.....

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Re: Back from the dead, T1a restoration

Post by Sgt. Vimes on Sun Aug 10, 2014 4:30 pm

Heres a question thats probably been brought up before...
Which of the woods in the thunder do you think has the most influence in its tone? ash or maple?

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Re: Back from the dead, T1a restoration

Post by Westbone on Sun Aug 10, 2014 7:53 pm

Maple.

Tonerider Rocksong, very decent.

Or try this.

MMK45 magnet change.
Westone on right, Alnico II on left.


Installed.
Find MMK 45's powerful but a bit muddy. Defines the sound.

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Re: Back from the dead, T1a restoration

Post by Sgt. Vimes on Sun Aug 10, 2014 7:59 pm

Hmm I had thought of this before, there's an ebay seller with AII magnets, and you're right about the muddiness..plus I think the gain circuit adds some extra mud as my trans red T1a is nowhere near as clear as the T1, only differences are the circuit and a thicker finish on the red.

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Re: Back from the dead, T1a restoration

Post by Barry on Sun Aug 10, 2014 10:54 pm

Sgt. Vimes wrote:Heres a question thats probably been brought up before...
Which of the woods in the thunder do you think has the most influence in its tone? ash or maple?
I have two T1-A's, one with Ash wings, the other all Maple. It's a bit subjective of course but the Maple one sounds much louder. Mind you it's also a string thru versus a top loader on the Ash model which has a not insignificant influence. Of course, the bridge is also sitting on that Maple strip, so...

Interesting mod Damian. Would seem to push the 45 more towards the 53 maybe?

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Re: Back from the dead, T1a restoration

Post by Sgt. Vimes on Wed Aug 13, 2014 11:26 am

Ok so it's mock up time!

Original MMk's?


Ivory MMK's?



chrome covers?



black covers? (not these emg selects...but you get the idea)



I quite like the black covers, forgot to take a pic with the black alloy knobs, but looks good.
gut instinct says original mmk's...

Headstock so far...



small accident with the upper leftmost tip of the W...came off with a coat of oil, light was low and I thought I had it back in place, not bothered at all...it's unique!

another coat on the neck drying in the sun...it's outrageous how good this tru-oil is, self levelling up to a point, dries so fast and feels beautiful, love it.



The bridge and saddles cleaned, polished a bit and lacquered, the knobs are Gretsch copies, same dimensions and look rather good in the flesh.
Looking for one more original brass one for a set......anyone?

I was going to leave the body to cure a while longer, wire wool and buff out, but there's absolutely no need as it looks and feels superb IMO, it's rock hard already and just the right glossyness (a word!)

Hope to have this all done at the weekend....just need some saddle springs as these are rusty beyond salvation, but will suffice, unless I can find 6 spring loaded pens in the art cupboard   Twisted Evil

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Re: Back from the dead, T1a restoration

Post by Catalyst on Wed Aug 13, 2014 12:38 pm

I like the Ivory ones mate...doesn't detract from the luuurvely blue colour as much as the black ones.

Thats' gonna turn out to be a belter bud  Thumb Up ...can't wait to see it all finished and ready to rawk!

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Re: Back from the dead, T1a restoration

Post by Barry on Wed Aug 13, 2014 12:47 pm

Yup, Ivory!

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Re: Back from the dead, T1a restoration

Post by Meadows on Wed Aug 13, 2014 1:19 pm

Plus one for the Ivory, looking great Sarge.

Out of interest how do the chrome covers look with the Ivory surrounds?

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Re: Back from the dead, T1a restoration

Post by punkyjam67 on Wed Aug 13, 2014 1:33 pm

Another thumbs-up for ivory here - not normally a fan, but they sit just right in the maple strip & don't distract from the wing colour, IMHO Smile

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Re: Back from the dead, T1a restoration

Post by Sgt. Vimes on Wed Aug 13, 2014 1:37 pm

Wow! it's a good job I'm making the decisions 'round 'ere innit?  my least favourite is the ivory lol
Si...no, just no!

I'm just reassembling the various parts, found new springs, new saddle grub screws, need to solder the active crossover switch, new nuts for all the switches and jack....it's starting to look like a guitar again.

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Re: Back from the dead, T1a restoration

Post by Meadows on Wed Aug 13, 2014 1:43 pm

Sgt. Vimes wrote:
Si...no, just no!
Lol , I'll get me coat Mad

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Re: Back from the dead, T1a restoration

Post by Sgt. Vimes on Wed Aug 13, 2014 1:44 pm

lol!  makes it look like a chinese gibson ripoff

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Re: Back from the dead, T1a restoration

Post by Westbone on Wed Aug 13, 2014 2:03 pm

A mix? or ivory.


All aboard the......



Is that timber showing through or just reflections? on your pictures above.

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Re: Back from the dead, T1a restoration

Post by Sgt. Vimes on Wed Aug 13, 2014 2:18 pm

Ahh, now I didn't try that combo, black rings n ivory!  that's got legs for sure.

No timber, just reflections.

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Post by Sgt. Vimes on Wed Aug 13, 2014 2:20 pm

I would have tried zebras, but only got one in the form of a Tonerider.

did mmk45's ever come in zebra?

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Post by Sgt. Vimes on Wed Aug 13, 2014 2:38 pm

Ah, can't do ivory coz I need 3 wires from the bridge pup, ivory only got 2..

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Post by Catalyst on Wed Aug 13, 2014 5:01 pm

Sgt. Vimes wrote:
did mmk45's ever come in zebra?
Sure did...my CS350 has 'em Cool

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Re: Back from the dead, T1a restoration

Post by Sgt. Vimes on Wed Aug 13, 2014 5:04 pm

Oh yeah... I always thought that cs350 would look better with black pups  Very Happy

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Post by Westbone on Wed Aug 13, 2014 6:00 pm

Sgt. Vimes wrote:Ah, can't do ivory coz I need 3 wires from the bridge pup, ivory only got 2..
Just rewire it.

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Post by Sgt. Vimes on Wed Aug 13, 2014 6:03 pm

don't know how, only ever rewired one recently from a 1 conductor to a 2 for a coil cut. this is missing the green wire which I think is for phase reversal?

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Re: Back from the dead, T1a restoration

Post by Sgt. Vimes on Thu Aug 14, 2014 3:32 pm

Thanks for that damian, think I'm just gonna go with the stock black pups for now though.

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Re: Back from the dead, T1a restoration

Post by Barry on Thu Aug 14, 2014 10:12 pm

Man, I was just reviewing this thread Pete, and what an outstanding resto!  Coffee Drinker 

In the excitement and discussion over the colour, etc., I didn't see much mention of the important preliminary step of masking off the centre piece.

From the pix it looks like a razor sharp delineation. Did you do anything special there mate?

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Re: Back from the dead, T1a restoration

Post by Sgt. Vimes on Fri Aug 15, 2014 12:01 am

Thanks Barry!

No, nothing special, no tricks just £1 shop masking tape applied patiently up to the outter edge of the walnut stringer.

All assembled, soldered and strung up now  Twisted Evil  Twisted Evil   Really really happy with this one, my tidiest work yet due to patience and  Tru-Oil.

pics to follow when the sun next shines.

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Re: Back from the dead, T1a restoration

Post by mortarman120gang11c on Fri Aug 15, 2014 9:25 am

That sir is an outstanding job on this one. I like the ivory as well but the black ones look nice as well. Great work.

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Re: Back from the dead, T1a restoration

Post by Sgt. Vimes on Fri Aug 15, 2014 5:37 pm

Thanks man!

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Re: Back from the dead, T1a restoration

Post by Sgt. Vimes on Sat Aug 16, 2014 3:17 am

And in all her full glory......



Notice the woodworm's lunch between the pickups here?













and one to show how the Gretsch knobs look



Again, I'm really happy with how this turned out, thanks to all you fellas for your suggestions, help and comments, great bunch!

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Post by Sgt. Vimes on Sat Aug 16, 2014 3:25 am



Brotherly love !

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Re: Back from the dead, T1a restoration

Post by Meadows on Sat Aug 16, 2014 3:34 am

Stunning Pete, all that effort has really paid off, you should be very proud bud  Very Happy

With the neck now on, think you also got it spot on with the pickup colour choice. I think Mats missed a trick not releasing a model in this colour or similar, job well done


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Post by Catalyst on Sat Aug 16, 2014 4:55 am

Meadows wrote: I think Mats missed a trick not releasing a model in this colour or similar, job well done

Took the words right outa my mouth Meadows....on a par with the red one next to it in my book.  Thumb Up

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Post by Barry on Sat Aug 16, 2014 10:23 am

Stellar!

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Re: Back from the dead, T1a restoration

Post by Sgt. Vimes on Sat Aug 16, 2014 12:08 pm

Thanks.

Quite fancy doing a purple one next, then maybe one to order....red gold n green anyone?  afro

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Post by Meadows on Sat Aug 16, 2014 1:41 pm

Sgt. Vimes wrote:red gold n green anyone?  afro
Now your talking  Smile 

..... and if could you could shave a couple of pounds off the body weight and put a Concord neck on it too, jobs a good'n  So Happy

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Post by Sgt. Vimes on Sat Aug 16, 2014 1:42 pm

I've got a couple tins of dulux in the shed, hows about I slap it on the concord 3?  Wink

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Post by Meadows on Sat Aug 16, 2014 1:55 pm

Sgt. Vimes wrote:I've got a couple tins of dulux in the shed, hows about I slap it on the concord 3?  Wink
 affraid  affraid  affraid  affraid  affraid  affraid  affraid  affraid  affraid

Cancel that order !!!!!!!!! Evil or Very Mad  Evil or Very Mad  Evil or Very Mad

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Post by Sgt. Vimes on Sat Aug 16, 2014 1:57 pm

Laughing 

seriously though, if you want a thunder in those colours, I can have a crack at it    Smile

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Post by Meadows on Sat Aug 16, 2014 2:06 pm

I might take you up on that Pete thanks, just saving to have a guitar looked at first, and would like to really try a thunder out just to make sure I am going to use it live, reckon it could look really good though, food for serious though, cheers  Smile 

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Post by Westbone on Sun Aug 17, 2014 6:01 am

Turned out very nice indeedy... Smile 

Could do with a shim on that neck.

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Post by Sgt. Vimes on Sun Aug 17, 2014 6:14 am

Yep, the shim has gone back in,  I had to assess the frets with strings on first.

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Re: Back from the dead, T1a restoration

Post by Adey on Sun Aug 17, 2014 1:04 pm

That really does look fantastic. You've got me in the mood for another refurb now.
Stain and Tru-oil seems to be worth a go....
... on a guitar with a solid wood body!


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Post by Sgt. Vimes on Sun Aug 17, 2014 1:08 pm

Lol thanks, go for it....

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Re: Back from the dead, T1a restoration

Post by munkieNL on Sat Aug 23, 2014 3:57 pm

Words fail me, fantastic restoration job.  cheers 

Another hobby of mine are turntables, you know the devices on which we played records in the old days, the predecessor of the CD... Many vintage TT have become quite expensive nowadays, Thorens, Lenco idler wheel drives, the better Duals. Enthousiasts go a long way to restore these TT and often enhance them with big and beautiful DIY plinths etc. The end result can often be showed in the High End salon, no problem. 

I can only be envious of people with those skills. And admire them.

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Bridge wiring

Post by Sgt. Vimes on Sun Nov 09, 2014 11:03 am

So as the sub title suggests I need some help with wiring in a new pair of pickups, been tearing my (thinning) hair out all afternoon and just can't get sorted.
Ive got this Artec HB set with
Green - Live
Red & White - split
Black & Chrome - Earth

now, when I removed the MMK45' I cut the wires neat in the cavity so I don't need to fish about with the iron and just solder wire to wire.
Neck pup is fine, but I can't get the bridge to coil cut and phase reverse together, either way I wire this I'm getting just coil cut OR phase reverse....driving me nuts.

I take it the 45's bridge is:
white = live
red = coil
green = phase?

or am I way off? which of the new pups wires do I attach to which 45 wire?

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