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Re: Really?

Post by Westbone on Wed Apr 15, 2015 1:37 pm

pompom wrote:
 Plus its good for people with relatively little money to be able to enjoy the thrill of collecting/trading guitar gear. Not everyone can afford Gibsons, Fenders, PRS's

Westones are an easy flip and sell readily.. Smile

Just for the record  I also own/collect vintage Fenders, Gibsons etc. Not 70's, 80's or 90's but 1960's... Surprised

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Re: Really?

Post by pompom on Wed Apr 15, 2015 3:18 pm



Just for the record  I also own/collect vintage Fenders, Gibsons etc. Not 70's, 80's or 90's but 1960's... Surprised
what 60's Gibsons do you have?

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Re: Really?

Post by Sgt. Vimes on Wed Apr 15, 2015 3:20 pm

Oh god, please don't encourage him !

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Re: Really?

Post by Westbone on Wed Apr 15, 2015 3:57 pm

Sgt. Vimes wrote:Oh god, please don't encourage him !
Do you serious think I'd let every fooker know what I own..... lol!

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Re: Really?

Post by Sgt. Vimes on Wed Apr 15, 2015 4:21 pm

silent 
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Re: Really?

Post by corsair on Wed Apr 15, 2015 5:00 pm

I wasn't being patronising, Damian, just trying to be a little humorous as the discussion was becoming tedious, so if anyone took offense, I apologise.

If, as you state, Matsumoku made instruments are becoming more collectable than they have been, and the prices are reflecting that, then it's well past due!

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Re: Really?

Post by Westbone on Thu Apr 16, 2015 3:15 am

No worries John... Smile 

Like I mentioned a good while back.
If you wanted to increase the value of your Westone stick a Aria decal on it.
Well the W'tone name is catching up and about time... Twisted Evil

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Re: Really?

Post by pompom on Thu Apr 16, 2015 9:27 am

Westbone wrote:
Sgt. Vimes wrote:Oh god, please don't encourage him !
Do you serious think I'd let every fooker know what I own..... lol!
I go on a few forums for various guitars and a stock saying from one of the more popular Gibson forums is '... if theres no photo, it doesn't exist' Evil or Very Mad

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Post by pompom on Thu Apr 16, 2015 9:32 am

Westbone wrote:No worries John... Smile 

Like I mentioned a good while back.
If you wanted to increase the value of your Westone stick a Aria decal on it.
Well the W'tone name is catching up and about time... Twisted Evil
True, they are great cheap guitars. Certainly a whole lot better than the nonsense coming out of China. I saw a Chibson with a pretend truss rod, someone took the thing apart and posted photos, the guitar looked great but was about as sensible as trying to set the relief on a banana Suspect

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Re: Really?

Post by Sgt. Vimes on Thu Apr 16, 2015 10:31 am

Actually I find bananas give me great relief Wink 

And to be fair there are some incredible guitars coming from China, I have a Hagstrom which is particularly fine, also the Squier classic vibe are meant  
to be delightful, no doubt there are some dogs.

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Re: Really?

Post by Barry on Thu Apr 16, 2015 12:20 pm

Sgt. Vimes wrote:...And to be fair there are some incredible guitars coming from China...
In recent months I've had to revise my previously negative bias towards Chinese made guitars.
BUT...it still strongly depends on who's making them and more particularly who's riding shotgun on the quality control.

Last year we began carrying the Sigma brand acoustics. Sigma was originally owned by Martin and was their entry level instrument. Today the brand is owned by a German company and licensed to use the Martin "look and feel". Let me tell you...these are outstanding guitars, even the lowest priced models around the $450 mark. LINK

I've also experienced the cr@p side of the Chinese manufacturing. Truly awful rubbish.

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Re: Really?

Post by David_A on Thu Apr 16, 2015 1:54 pm

Meadows wrote:
corsair wrote: let's face it, we've all paid over the odds for one or two we really wanted so bad we could taste it...

Guilty as charged your honour on more than one occasion Rolling Eyes

And talking of world hunger, I think when you are passionate about a subject there can be a tendency to be a bit precious and protective about it and just recently there have been one or two price related threads that have put one or two of us on the defensive. Maybe changes are afoot, there certainly seems to be a minor " All things Matsumoku" buzz going on at the moment on the bay and a few other forums, but I for one play a Westone guitar for my pleasure and work not because it's in vogue or trendy or it's intrinsic value, it's because it's just a -ucking great guitar that I really enjoy playing...... period clown

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A bit off-topic, but ... thanks for the youtube link, Meadows. I really enjoyed listening to that - brilliant track!  Yay!

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Re: Really?

Post by Meadows on Thu Apr 16, 2015 2:53 pm

Your welcome David, glad you enjoyed.

You can blame Corsair for that one Very Happy  Quincy Conserve "Move on up" (Curtis Mayfield tribute)....what is that bass player on ???? bounce

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Re: Really?

Post by Westbone on Thu Apr 16, 2015 3:51 pm

pompom wrote:
Westbone wrote:
Do you serious think I'd let every fooker know what I own..... lol!
I go on a few forums for various guitars and a stock saying from one of the more popular Gibson forums is '... if theres no photo, it doesn't exist' Evil or Very Mad
There's photos of a few on the forum here somewhere. Have a search around.... Twisted Evil

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Re: Really?

Post by Westbone on Thu Apr 16, 2015 4:13 pm

There's many fine guitars coming out of China these days.
Here's a couple.

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Re: Really?

Post by Westbone on Thu Apr 16, 2015 4:24 pm

Sgt. Vimes wrote:Actually I find bananas give me great relief Wink 

And to be fair there are some incredible guitars coming from China, I have a Hagstrom which is particularly fine, also the Squier classic vibe are meant  
to be delightful, no doubt there are some dogs.
Squier Classic vibe's are excellent guitars. Seriously good!!

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Re: Really?

Post by Sgt. Vimes on Thu Apr 16, 2015 4:26 pm

I've got really bad gas for one and no funds Sad

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Re: Really?

Post by Westbone on Thu Apr 16, 2015 4:30 pm

Sgt. Vimes wrote:I've got really bad gas for one and no funds Sad
Sell your body to science... What a Face

Have a few 50's and 60's Strats, nice.. Smile

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Re: Really?

Post by corsair on Thu Apr 16, 2015 5:11 pm

Now, there's a thing....

... are the pre-CBS Fenders really that much better than the CBS era ones? I know the values are sky high, but my strat is late 70s - I think - and before I messed around with it, I thought it was Ok, eh! Mind you, I've never knowingly played a pre-CBS model, nor a 59 LP, but I can't help wondering if the whole thing is a up scale version of our very own Japanese/Korean divide??

Interested in what you think, chaps, but especially you as an owner, Damian....

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Re: Really?

Post by Westbone on Thu Apr 16, 2015 6:33 pm

It's all about when Fender was owned by Mr Fender himself.

There's a ton of info on the net as you know.

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Re: Really?

Post by corsair on Thu Apr 16, 2015 9:59 pm

Yeah, I know and it's essentially a w***-fest in favour or vehement hate; I've not found a cogent, well reasoned and presented discussion yet, and I'm not about to sift through endless piles of drooling drivel to satisfy a mild curiousity, eh!

I just wondered what your thoughts were seeing as you own what are to me quite exotic pieces of kit....

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Re: Really?

Post by Westbone on Fri Apr 17, 2015 2:24 am

Where do you wanna start?
Any particular points?

Nothing exotic about them.

I think Leo Fender was trying to make guitars along the Henry Ford mass production example.

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Re: Really?

Post by corsair on Fri Apr 17, 2015 4:51 am

Well, do they - post CBS - actually play or sound any differently to pre CBS built guitars? Is the build quality really that much different?
I know Leos' ethos was instruments for the working musician that had replaceable parts should they get busted up, but the whole pre and post CBS thing makes me dizzy. As does the 59 LP thing....

And I know they're not exotic per se, but as I've never even seen one, they are exotic to me, eh!!

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Post by Westbone on Fri Apr 17, 2015 11:35 am

The main visual difference is the larger headstock on the CBS ones.
But there are many changes that happened and as time went on and CBS used crapper timber, heavier stuff. I've seen 1970's Strats with maple boards and the frets sprayed over with poly. Things got sloppy.

Not saying a pre CBS will sound better or worse(as some did) than a CBS model. It's all in the ear of the beholder!

It's all about when it was owned by Leo! That's why prices are astronomical! There's no magic guitar!

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Re: Really?

Post by corsair on Fri Apr 17, 2015 5:21 pm

Thanks, Damian! People are odd things, eh...

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Re: Really?

Post by Westbone on Sat Apr 18, 2015 5:45 am

Maybe our forum buddy 'pompom' would like to add something as he says he has knowledge of these instruments??

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Post by pompom on Sat Apr 18, 2015 9:31 am

Westbone wrote:Maybe our forum buddy 'pompom' would like to add something as he says he has knowledge of these instruments??
Not only do I have knowledge of, I have possession of too. But if you go to one of the Fender, or more specifically Strat forums, you will find a great deal of info already available. Most people who are interested in a subject will generally want to spend their own time researching that subject, it isn't difficult study

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Re: Really?

Post by Westbone on Sat Apr 18, 2015 10:18 am

pompom wrote:
Westbone wrote:Maybe our forum buddy 'pompom' would like to add something as he says he has knowledge of these instruments??
Not only do I have knowledge of, I have possession of too. But if you go to one of the Fender, or more specifically Strat forums, you will find a great deal of info already available. Most people who are interested in a subject will generally want to spend their own time researching that subject, it isn't difficult study
lol! That's what I said in the first place...

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Re: Really?

Post by bobroberts on Mon May 25, 2015 8:23 am

Haven't been on for a while, and hadn't seen the way the thread, erm, progressed. 

To clarify, I've owned the T1a on the left, from new, since '83, and I paid £150 for it. I've seen a great many bought and sold, over the years. Some for a bit more, and some for a bit less, but mainly I've seen nice ones go for somewhere around the 150 mark. In my mind, that's their level - ymmv..! I honestly think they're great value at 150, too..! That said, I would never in a million years pay 300 for one. However, if you can sell one for 300 - good luck to you. 

I'd also like to say, it wasn't my intention to start any arguments, or generate any bad feeling. As a longtime Westone owner/fanboy, I figured I was entitled to a say on the subject. Words on a screen can easily be taken differently to how they were intended... We can all get the wrong end of the stick, sometimes..

Edit: Can I also add that I'm not into the 'collectible' aspect, when it comes to guitars. To me, a guitar is a tool for making music. That means (to me) a 'guitar' has a finite value. When guitars become rare, or otherwise desirable, they tend to go above that value, and I have no interest in them. I, and the rest of the world, might value some brands more highly than others, so we pay more for a Gibson than a Westone, for example.. But that's the way the world goes round..  Thumb Up

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Re: Really?

Post by Sgt. Vimes on Mon May 25, 2015 10:15 am

Nice to see you back Bob! 

I don't think you started any arguments or otherwise,  just people (me included) like to have  their say, and their say matters (unless they're lying and selling untoward goods.....)

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