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Post by Sgt. Vimes on Sun Aug 23, 2015 2:41 am

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Re: New Bridge & Neck on Westone Spectrum DX - Advice Needed on Neck and Bridge Replacement

Post by akinschris on Sun Aug 23, 2015 7:39 am

I'm going to sand it back and try again today. Hope to be done by 1 or 2 PM. If it doesn't work this time....I'll sand it and do it white with a blood splatter pattern or, depending on how bad it is, just move forward.

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Post by Sgt. Vimes on Sun Aug 23, 2015 7:45 am

Fwiw,  less paint,  still the water before entry and move slowly in and out, rotating a half turn on the way in. 
Ive seen folk clear the paint off the water surface with paper towels before  removing the body. 

For the record I have NOT done a swirl, and probably never will,  but I have seen loads of videos on the subject.

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Post by akinschris on Sun Aug 23, 2015 7:54 am

Yep - I put in WAAAAAY too much paint. It was hard to gauge...but you are correct and that's my plan - cut it back some. Or a lot.

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Post by gittarasaurus on Sun Aug 23, 2015 9:22 am

perhaps you could test it out on a plain piece of wood before you do the guitar body
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Re: New Bridge & Neck on Westone Spectrum DX - Advice Needed on Neck and Bridge Replacement

Post by akinschris on Sun Aug 23, 2015 3:57 pm

Did part two today. Interesting the test turned out OK, but the final turned out a lot lighter. The swirl pattern is perfect, but the result is OK. I'm not thrilled but not totally disappointed. I'll keep it and move forward.




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Re: New Bridge & Neck on Westone Spectrum DX - Advice Needed on Neck and Bridge Replacement

Post by Barry on Sun Aug 23, 2015 4:22 pm

Hmmm, getting kinda interesting.
Not my kinda thing, cuz i'm an old fart and this would likely trigger a migraine, but it is different.

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Re: New Bridge & Neck on Westone Spectrum DX - Advice Needed on Neck and Bridge Replacement

Post by akinschris on Wed Aug 26, 2015 7:33 pm

I'm excited to share that the 3rd time was the charm on the swirling. It was a little thick and runny in just a few areas, but will deal with that on the back end the best I can. I'm really excited with the results. Wasn't exactly what I had in mind (was hoping for more blue and less black, but the black goes a looooooooooong way), but I'm satisfied.

What are your thoughts? Also, ordered the pickups today - a Dimebucker for the bridge and a bridge Black Winter for the neck position.




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Re: New Bridge & Neck on Westone Spectrum DX - Advice Needed on Neck and Bridge Replacement

Post by Meadows on Thu Aug 27, 2015 4:14 am

Hey Chris

That front now looks alot better. The test I guess will be when she is fully dressed and the neck is on. I would imagine against a plain back ground (and not your workshop) you would also get a better impression of how she is going to look.

Might have to be careful which shirt your going to wear with her on stage though affraid ...job well done


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Re: New Bridge & Neck on Westone Spectrum DX - Advice Needed on Neck and Bridge Replacement

Post by The Chad on Thu Aug 27, 2015 3:49 pm

With those pups, this will be a metal machine.

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Re: New Bridge & Neck on Westone Spectrum DX - Advice Needed on Neck and Bridge Replacement

Post by akinschris on Sat Aug 29, 2015 7:51 am

Update: letting paint continue to dry. All the hardware, except the neck, has come in. The pickups are due Monday. The 42mm sustain block comes in today (I measured the sustain block on my Bendmaster DX and it measures in at 42mm) and I'll put it on the new Floyd Rose.

I've ordered, at the recommendation of a swirler whose technique I shamelessly copied, big d guitars, 2k spraymax high gloss two part auto clear coat.

After Erika passes through I will apply the clear coat, let sit for 2-3 days and start smoothing out the clear coat.

I hope the neck comes in soon. I requested it be finished, but I'm not hopeful and suspect that will add a week.

I'm ordering the finishing supplies from stew mac so I can hopefully polish it in one fell swoop and be done with that aspect.

After that will come putting the neck on and making sure it goes on straight.

This has been an enjoyable and time consuming project. I've learned quite a bit and have enjoyed even messing up and having to start over.

Thankfully, my step dad has allowed me to use his tools and work space and I'm grateful for that. I have mostly what I need within arms reach.

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Re: New Bridge & Neck on Westone Spectrum DX - Advice Needed on Neck and Bridge Replacement

Post by akinschris on Sat Aug 29, 2015 8:17 am

1 43/64 inch = 42.4656 mm.

BTW, I'll likely sell this bridge after I get everything installed I'll likely sell this bridge. It's fully intact except for the whammy bar. I absolutely can not find it. Aside from the rollers being slightly rusty it's in perfect shape.


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Re: New Bridge & Neck on Westone Spectrum DX - Advice Needed on Neck and Bridge Replacement

Post by The Chad on Sat Aug 29, 2015 8:27 am

No problem if your springs drag on the inside of the cavity, you can sand that down.  Sounds like a fun project, excited to see it done!

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Re: New Bridge & Neck on Westone Spectrum DX - Advice Needed on Neck and Bridge Replacement

Post by akinschris on Sun Aug 30, 2015 3:17 pm

It's mostly dry now, except for a few thick spots. Am sitting in the sun for the next few days, until the remnants of Erika start blowing through.


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Re: New Bridge & Neck on Westone Spectrum DX - Advice Needed on Neck and Bridge Replacement

Post by corsair on Thu Sep 03, 2015 5:18 am

The Chad wrote:No problem if your springs drag on the inside of the cavity, you can sand that down.  Sounds like a fun project, excited to see it done!

When I changed the bridge on my strat, the springs dragged horrendously, so bugger the sandpaper; I attacked the thing with a bloody chisel!!

.... and back to the weirdly painted Spectrum...

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Re: New Bridge & Neck on Westone Spectrum DX - Advice Needed on Neck and Bridge Replacement

Post by akinschris on Thu Sep 03, 2015 6:38 am

My goal is to clear coat it tonight. Yesterday, the paint was still wet in some thick areas. I scraped and sanded that down where there was a heavy run.

Unfortunately I went too far and hit the primer coat and even a little raw wood (this with wet 1000 grit sandpaper).

It's on the bottom bevel so I'm not to hung up on it. I'm thinking it'll be dry enough tonight to hit with the clear coat. If not, I'll do so this weekend.

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Re: New Bridge & Neck on Westone Spectrum DX - Advice Needed on Neck and Bridge Replacement

Post by akinschris on Fri Sep 04, 2015 6:43 am

Clear coated last night with SprayMax 2K High Gloss Clear Coat. It was a two-part clear coat in a can. Came highly recommended on various guitar forums. At $20/can and high flammable and toxic (cyanide, apparently) it's very high quality, goes on smooth, and dries quickly. I used two cans. According to instructions and others users' feedback you can start wet sanding at 1500 grit. If that's the case I'll use a high quality compound and start with that, since it's the equivalent of 1500.

I did notice some of the paint - despite being dry to the touch - starting to run slightly. At this point the clear coating process has started, so there's no stopping. I damaged the paint in a few spots trying to scrape where it was overly thick, but short of starting over a 4th time I simply accepted it. I'll just say it's part of the relicing process. Smile

I'm going to let it dry until Sunday or Monday. I noticed orange peel already forming, which I expected. Starting Sunday or Monday I'm going to begin the process of compounding and polishing. 

I also ordered the vinyl headstock logo and name. Here's pics of it wet with the clear coat. Pics so far:








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Re: New Bridge & Neck on Westone Spectrum DX - Advice Needed on Neck and Bridge Replacement

Post by westcoaster on Fri Sep 04, 2015 10:03 am

I can't help thinking that it would have been better for you to do a  build with your new neck & bridge, ensuring everything fitted properly  / no intonation isdues before tackling the paint job.

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Re: New Bridge & Neck on Westone Spectrum DX - Advice Needed on Neck and Bridge Replacement

Post by akinschris on Fri Sep 04, 2015 10:07 am

Very true, and I thought about that. I have kept the old neck and bridge in case of issues.

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Re: New Bridge & Neck on Westone Spectrum DX - Advice Needed on Neck and Bridge Replacement

Post by akinschris on Mon Sep 07, 2015 5:25 pm

OK....wet sanded, compounded, and polished guitar and installed most hardware. Neck is supposed to arrive on Friday.

Things went OK. It's far from flawless, but I brush it off to my first time and not properly preparing some of the gouges in the wood. Also, having a heavy hand with the sanding, where I went through some of the clear coat. :/

I did run into a problem where when I drilled larger holes to accommodate the posts for the new bridge it took out a chunk of wood. Epoxy fixed it and am hoping it will hold. If no..I'll do something different.

I haven't soldered the electronics yet - I'll do that this week, along with neck installation, when it arrives.



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Re: New Bridge & Neck on Westone Spectrum DX - Advice Needed on Neck and Bridge Replacement

Post by corsair on Mon Sep 07, 2015 8:29 pm

Starting to look like a guitar, mate!! That swirl thing is starting to grow on me, too!

Are you going to shield the cavities?

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Re: New Bridge & Neck on Westone Spectrum DX - Advice Needed on Neck and Bridge Replacement

Post by Barry on Mon Sep 07, 2015 9:07 pm

atkinschris wrote:Nothing...epoxy won't fix...
'Bin there. Dun that! Roll on Floor Laff

Yeah, looking, um, interesting for sure.
I...think...I...would...actually...um...you know...play it...maybe. Sort of.  Neutral

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Post by akinschris on Tue Sep 08, 2015 10:23 am

I'm really hoping the epoxy will hold. If it doesn't the only thing I've found as a permanent fix is to drill that whole section out and fill it will a new piece of wood, harder than the original.

http://fingerlakesguitarrepair.com/fender-strat-body-crack-at-trem-stud.

I have a feeling I"ll be doing that, but we'll see. The other alternative is buying a new body, but my Frankenwestie won't be a Franekenwestie anymore, and I've grown rather attached to it.

Corsair, I just ordered some copper tape on eBay. I think that will take care of it.

Update: the luthier i contacted who does a lot of local and regional bands in the Tallahassee-area recommended Loctite X8.


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Post by The Chad on Tue Sep 08, 2015 12:53 pm

Looking good so far, thanks for the updates!!!

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Post by akinschris on Tue Sep 08, 2015 1:04 pm

YW, Chad. I'm still mindful of your experience and will keep you posted for this weekend...

I'm still trying to figure out the bridge repair. I just talked to one luthier - he said replace the bridge with a harder wood; the other said to use Loctite X8.

I guess the first few dive bombs will tell. Smile

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Post by The Chad on Tue Sep 08, 2015 1:07 pm

Lol, yes, that will reveal a lot!  

Epoxy may work, depends on what it has to hold onto. 

I had a strat with a break like yours, epoxy worked just fine.

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