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Creating a Trans Black Finish

Post by Adey on Fri Sep 02, 2016 9:05 am

I have just picked up an old Vantage VS650, (Serial number starts with a 0, so I guess this is a 1980 model?). It is in a bit of a sad state - photos will follow later.

It all seems to be there, but has been completely taken apart, other than seperating the body and neck. All the electrics are present, but the pick ups have gone, only to have been replaced by Peavey T60 ones from late 70's

Anyway, I was thinking about doing a trans black finish and thought it a good idea to ask some experts for tips before I start.

I thought that after I have sanded away the old lacquer I would give it a light black stain and rub back before a few coats of tinted black lacquer and then clear (obviously having masked off the centre section during the "Blacking" process). Anyone done this before?

I'd also do the headstock, so will need to replace the decals, as they will be removed in the process. I know there are some posts here somewhere on making new ones, but if anyone has some "to hand", or has the data/image files, I would be much obliged.

And finally, as it has the Peavey T60 pick-ups, I thought I might just wire it up as a T60,  with the variable coil tap tone wiring that it came with - humbucker from about 0-8 and then becoming a single coil from 8-10.

Any thoughts???

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Re: Creating a Trans Black Finish

Post by Westbone on Mon Sep 05, 2016 3:12 am

What wood are the wings?

Lets have a photo....cyclops

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Re: Creating a Trans Black Finish

Post by Adey on Mon Sep 05, 2016 6:44 am

It looks very similar to this

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Re: Creating a Trans Black Finish

Post by Barry on Mon Sep 05, 2016 10:04 am

Ash = yes
Maple / Mahagony / visible laminate joints = no

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Re: Creating a Trans Black Finish

Post by Adey on Mon Sep 05, 2016 11:18 am

So, is the considered opinion on this one - "don't do it!"?

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Re: Creating a Trans Black Finish

Post by Westbone on Mon Sep 05, 2016 11:28 am

Just use a dark black  lacquer tint. No need to stain because there's no grain.
Should be fine with. Do it pretty darkish. Look better than it does now. Looks anaemic. 

The join on the wings won't jump out at you, will if you stain.


This guitar has the same set up as the T60. Roll on coil tap. Works fine, much better than a on/off coil tap as per most Mats guitars. Gives you the option of having one pup on tap and the other full 'bucker when both are on. The mini switch is a phase on/off. Thinking of modding a Thunder I with this circuit.

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Re: Creating a Trans Black Finish

Post by corsair on Mon Sep 05, 2016 5:30 pm

Roll on coil tap?? Sounds interesting. How does that work? Shocked  That red guitar looks like an APII Cardinal series, eh?!

*later*

OK, found a bit out about it; Seymour Duncan have a diagram for it. Question. Is that pot in addition to the tone pot or instead of? I think I'll have a crack at this...


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Re: Creating a Trans Black Finish

Post by Barry on Mon Sep 05, 2016 5:35 pm

Yeah, I wondered about that too. Was that OEM on the Cardinals? I don't believe I've heard it mentioned before on the Mats forum. Sounds like a good idea to moi.

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Re: Creating a Trans Black Finish

Post by gittarasaurus on Mon Sep 05, 2016 9:13 pm

link to Peavey diagram for T-60 here<-

a great site for info and supplies for guitar body finish work ReRanch Guitar Refinishing<-

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Re: Creating a Trans Black Finish

Post by Westbone on Mon Sep 05, 2016 11:17 pm

Barry wrote:Yeah, I wondered about that too. Was that OEM on the Cardinals? I don't believe I've heard it mentioned before on the Mats forum. Sounds like a good idea to moi.
Not on all CS 400's most have a 'normal' type mini switch coil tap and yes it's factory wired.

Tone pots have a center detent. On detent it's a h'bucker roll anti clockwise it works as a normal tone. Roll clockwise to coil tap. It will work without a center detent pot as per the Peavey.
Note there is also a treble bleed cap on both volumes. 
Stick another photo of the guts up tomorrow.



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Re: Creating a Trans Black Finish

Post by Westbone on Tue Sep 06, 2016 2:50 am

If you wanted to mod any MMK that has no green phase wire you'd have to mod the pickup wiring to this. It would only need to be your bridge pup.
Say for instance a Thunder I. 1 volume, 2 tones, coil tap mini switch.  Or a Speccy with similar MMK 45's, not the other UBC crap, be a waste of time.
Both tones as 'roll' coil tap/tone, mini switch as a phase switch. Using all original pots/switch, simple...Very Happy



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Re: Creating a Trans Black Finish

Post by Westbone on Tue Sep 06, 2016 3:15 am

Peavey T60
Flat Eric's Bass & Guitar Collection: Peavey T-60 and Eighty Thousand Visitors. . .
http://flatericbassandguitar.blogspot.co.uk/2012/10/peavey-t-60-and-eighty-thousand-visitors.html

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Re: Creating a Trans Black Finish

Post by Adey on Wed Sep 07, 2016 4:05 am

Westbone wrote:Just use a dark black  lacquer tint. No need to stain because there's no grain.
Should be fine with. Do it pretty darkish. Look better than it does now. Looks anaemic. 

The join on the wings won't jump out at you, will if you stain.

I shall be getting the sander out at the weekend I think and see how it all goes...

affraid

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Re: Creating a Trans Black Finish

Post by Westbone on Wed Sep 07, 2016 7:51 am

Adey wrote:

I shall be getting the sander out at the weekend I think and see how it all goes...

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Re: Creating a Trans Black Finish

Post by Barry on Wed Sep 07, 2016 12:02 pm

Uncle Mats made a lot of really nice Natural finish guitars, but when the wood used is "blaah", it really looks yucky.

One of the boyz at the Mats site once referred to these finishes as a lovely shade of well soaked urine. He may well be right in this case Barf 2

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Re: Creating a Trans Black Finish

Post by Adey on Wed Sep 07, 2016 12:05 pm

Barry wrote:One of the boyz at the Mats site once referred to these finishes as a lovely shade of well soaked urine. He may well be right in this case Barf 2

A choice description!

Hoping I can improve this one, and not turn it into a lump of poo....!

Shocked

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Re: Creating a Trans Black Finish

Post by Westbone on Wed Sep 07, 2016 5:11 pm

Barry wrote:Uncle Mats made a lot of really nice Natural finish guitars, but when the wood used is "blaah", it really looks yucky.

One of the boyz at the Mats site once referred to these finishes as a lovely shade of well soaked urine. He may well be right in this case Barf 2
That's encouraging.. Suspect

Exactly! needs improvement..Twisted Evil

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