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Post by The Don on Wed Dec 07, 2016 6:51 am

Although I play Westone Spectrums about 95% of the time I have a small number of other guitars that I play from time to time. One of them is a Korean-made Fender Telecaster Lite Ash I bought second hand a few years ago.

It's a pretty well made and has some reasonably hot Seymour Duncan pickups (APTR-1, APTL-1 Neck/Bridge). Overall I'm pretty happy with it and bring it along to gigs as a backup guitar. My one complaint is that there is something wrong with the G-sting nut and/or string tree. The guitar is stock in every way.

When tuning or bending the string "sticks" and then releases. This means it's out of tune pretty quickly.

Any suggestions as to how to remedy the situation ? Nut sauce ?
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Post by Barry on Wed Dec 07, 2016 10:27 am

A Tele with an out of tune G string?? Never heard of such a thing! Roll on Floor Laff

Hey, pix would help eh? But in the meantime...

That's a chronic problem with the traditional Tele saddle design so that would be the first thing I'd check. If you have the old style (original) round steel saddles you might want to consider replacing them with a set of compensated saddles or replace the entire bridge assembly with comp saddles (Wilkinson for example). Very inexpensive and it works.

If that isn't an issue, it may very well be the string tree that's binding. A simple fix would be to replace with a roller style tree.

A shot of nut sauce is always helpful on moving guitar parts but I am suspicious that only the G string is affected here. Given the Tele's history, that makes me think it's the saddle that's the culprit.

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Post by Westbone on Wed Dec 07, 2016 3:08 pm

Nut sauce=vaseline+lighter fluid.

Give a wee blob of vaseline a try at the nut on the G string.

What gauge strings are on it?
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Re: Fender Telecaster will not stay in tune

Post by The Don on Thu Dec 08, 2016 4:51 am

Thanks for the tips:

The Lite Ash has "period" features like the "nocaster" headstock and the crappy old style 3x2 bridge saddles

As a starting point I'll try a wee blob of vaseline on my nut in the G-string area Wink

It's currently got Ernie Ball Super Slinky 009's so the G-string is a .016

Pictures to follow.....
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Post by Barry on Thu Dec 08, 2016 9:06 am

Always wise to follow the K.I.S.S. principle in guitar troubleshooting...and everything else really. Wink

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Post by punkyjam67 on Sat Dec 10, 2016 2:33 pm

The Don wrote:As a starting point I'll try a wee blob of vaseline on my nut in the G-string area Wink

Pictures to follow.....

Well... Anticipation or dread? Not quite sure... Shocked Wink Twisted Evil
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Re: Fender Telecaster will not stay in tune

Post by Barry on Sat Dec 10, 2016 8:57 pm

Now I cannot un-see that image! Thanks a lot. Face Palm

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Re: Fender Telecaster will not stay in tune

Post by Westbone on Thu Dec 15, 2016 1:12 pm

The Don wrote:Thanks for the tips:

The Lite Ash has "period" features like the "nocaster" headstock and the crappy old style 3x2 bridge saddles

Here's a little mod done back in the day.
Bend the intonation screws slightly. These are bent a little too much to show the idea.
Or buy some Wilkinsons..... Smile


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Post by Barry on Thu Dec 15, 2016 1:24 pm

Wilkinson compensated saddles are tops! (post #2  Wink )

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Post by The Chad on Fri Dec 16, 2016 4:18 pm

+3 to the Wilkinson!
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Post by Sollophonic on Sun Dec 18, 2016 4:01 pm

The Don wrote:Thanks for the tips:

The Lite Ash has "period" features like the "nocaster" headstock and the crappy old style 3x2 bridge saddles

 The three saddle bridge on the Tele is not only part of its tone, but has never given me any tuning problems whatsoever.

I have several gigging three saddle Teles, and I can leave them between gigs and barely need to retune them.

My Baja and my two MIMs hold their tuning absolutely rock solid, more so than any of my other guitars (including Westones) apart from my PRS SE Tremonti which also behaves the same.

Stretch yours strings, use 11s, use a bit of graphite on the nut, but I have found Teles to be the most stable guitars, tuning wise of anything IMO.
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Post by Westbone on Sun Dec 18, 2016 7:51 pm

Sollophonic wrote:

 The three saddle bridge on the Tele is not only part of its tone, but has never given me any tuning problems whatsoever.

What about intonation on the D,G saddle??

Here's another clever saddle combo.
https://www.thomann.de/gb/harley_benton_parts_t_style_vintage_bridge.htm?ref=prod_rel_398090_3
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Post by Barry on Sun Dec 18, 2016 8:26 pm

11's on a Tele?
Fingers 'o steel! Shocked

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Post by Sollophonic on Mon Dec 19, 2016 3:32 pm

Westbone wrote:
Sollophonic wrote:

 The three saddle bridge on the Tele is not only part of its tone, but has never given me any tuning problems whatsoever.

What about intonation on the D,G saddle??

Here's another clever saddle combo.
https://www.thomann.de/gb/harley_benton_parts_t_style_vintage_bridge.htm?ref=prod_rel_398090_3
I have never really had intonation problems on the three saddle Tele bridge.

Which is the height of sophistication compared to the bridges on Les paul Juniors and Melody makers, Danelectros, Gretsches, acoustics and resonators;-)
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Post by Westbone on Tue Dec 20, 2016 12:59 am

[quote="Sollophonic"]

I have never really had intonation problems on the three saddle Tele bridge.

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Who's a lucky lad then....
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Post by Barry on Tue Dec 20, 2016 9:09 am

'Tis a Christmas miracle! santa

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Post by The Don on Wed Dec 21, 2016 8:38 am

So, despite some pretty vigourous bending and stretching, the dab of Vaseline in the nut area seems to have done the trick

Ive also switched the original string trees for some cheapish roller string trees
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Post by Barry on Wed Dec 21, 2016 11:01 am

Love it when the simplest (cheapest) remedy works!

Do have a look at the Wilkinson solution when you can. You may find the brass improves the tone.

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Post by Westbone on Wed Dec 21, 2016 1:58 pm

'A little lube goes a long way'

Make your own nutsauce. Vaseline mixed with lighter fluid, both petroleum products.

Was suprised to find that 9's were sticking at the nut.

Stick a good bone nut in there.
 Those Korean made one's have a kind of plastic nut.

I'd keep the original string tress on. Roller one's will make no difference, it has no trem! Plus they look better and keep the originality of that fine guitar.

After much disscusion!

How about a photo or two of the birdseye neck???
PHOTOS??
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Post by corsair on Wed Dec 21, 2016 3:19 pm

I use a lubricant that I bought many moons ago for lubing the moving parts of a rifle action; used VERY sparingly on the possible binding points, it works very well indeed!

Those bent bits of metal that Fender call string trees are awful pieces of kit and their Kluson modern style ones are much better in both both appearance and performance.... YMMV, of course!

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Post by Westbone on Thu Dec 22, 2016 12:12 am

Those little wingy thingies that have been used for decades, never a problem as long as you keep 'em tight and straight. Like I mention don't come in to play unless you have a trem.

Thing with those new style Kluson's is they have a locating peg, so you'd have to drill an extra hole. Not a good idea if you wanted a guit to be original in the future. Look fine though and work.
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Post by corsair on Thu Dec 22, 2016 3:24 am

Westbone wrote:Thing with those new style Kluson's is they have a locating peg, so you'd have to drill an extra hole. Not a good idea if you wanted a guit to be original in the future. Look fine though and work.

Yeah, you could drill a hole.... or you could just grind the peg off!! Works like a charm!

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Post by Westbone on Thu Dec 22, 2016 3:55 am

[quote="corsair"][quote="Westbone"]Thing with those new style Kluson's is they have a locating peg, so you'd have to drill an extra hole. Not a good idea if you wanted a guit to be original in the future. Look fine though and work.[/quote]

Yeah, you could drill a hole.... or you could just grind the peg off!! Works like a charm![/quote]


Grind it off!!

Your then defeating the the whole object of the piece. That peg is there to keep it straight.

As long as both designs are kept straight, not a problem.
Personally I prefare the wingy thingies.

Different stokes...err...strokes for different folks... Wink
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Post by Sollophonic on Fri Dec 23, 2016 5:39 pm

Westbone wrote:
Sollophonic wrote:

I have never really had intonation problems on the three saddle Tele bridge.

Who's a lucky lad then....
 Nor did the myriad of classic players in the 60s and 70s that many folk base their sound/tone from.

I'm not lucky, just appreciative of the fact that perfect intonation is all well and good, but a standard guitar is pretty much a compromise anyway, and then the factor of magnetic pickups bring in a whole new set of variables.

If you want perfect intonation, there are all kinds of custom built guitars that will do this for you this with tempered scales, adjustable nuts, fanned or staggered frets etc.

I guess the luddite in me likes the sound of a Tele (or a Westone even) through a loud amp, in front of an appreciative crowd.

And the commonest complaint from any crowd is never about intonation, anyway;-)
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Post by Westbone on Sat Dec 24, 2016 5:52 am

3 saddle Tele bridges do not intonate 100%  FACT!

Hence there's a load of manufactures making various type of bridges/saddles to correct this. Compensater, swivel and offset screw saddles. Must be a problem somewhere or are they wasting their time???

At a cost of under £10 this intonation problem can be rectified.

If your happy with your lot fine but not all folks are.
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Post by corsair on Sat Dec 24, 2016 8:07 am

Calm down, lads; this isn't the answer to world peace, you know!!
Agree to disagree and move on...

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Post by Barry on Sat Dec 24, 2016 10:17 am

What he said. And what he said.

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Post by Westbone on Sat Dec 24, 2016 10:41 am

Geez the pc brigade are jumping in a bit early doors.

Just a healthy disscusion regards a 3 saddle Tele bridge.

Comments on your experience with such saddles would be more appropriate.
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Post by Barry on Sat Dec 24, 2016 3:15 pm

Traditional 3 saddle Tele bridges are poo.
They don't stay in tune up the neck.
Change 'em.
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Post by Meadows on Sat Dec 24, 2016 5:39 pm

Barry wrote:Wilkinson compensated saddles are tops! (post #2  Wink )

Please could someone put up a link to this specific saddle (I could be in the market for one), thank you Smile and Merry Christmas  santa
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Post by Barry on Sat Dec 24, 2016 5:50 pm

GFS sells 'em for reasonable money Si, but you may find it easier to get it from eBay or someone else closer to you.

Do some price checking though, they tend to vary considerably. Stewmac charges almost double GFS price!

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Post by Meadows on Sat Dec 24, 2016 6:25 pm

Thank you Barry  

Interesting that there are no groves for the strings to sit in...obviously not needed with this style of saddle design.
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Post by Meadows on Sun Dec 25, 2016 1:36 am

Cheers Damian, good link
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Post by The Don on Tue Jan 03, 2017 3:18 am



Camera phone is not the best I'm afraid. Doesn't really capture the beauty of the neck.

Non-original pearloid pickguard is my doing  Embarassed, the original black (which I still have of course) was a little austere.
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Post by Westbone on Wed Jan 04, 2017 1:12 pm

Very decent Tele, nice figured necks on those.

Like the pearlguard, just ordered 2 for 2 black thinlines black with black guard.... Wink
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Post by The Don on Tue Jan 10, 2017 3:49 am

Westbone wrote:Very decent Tele, nice figured necks on those.

Like the pearlguard, just ordered 2 for 2 black thinlines black with black guard.... Wink

I reckon it was £200 well spent and now that it stays in tune it can be the backup guitar to the Spectrum FX for Wyld Bird Seed gigs.

I've ordered the compensated saddles you recommended and linked to up-thread, they'll be a good upgrade.
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Post by Westbone on Tue Jan 10, 2017 10:35 am




Know which I prefare... Smile
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Post by The Don on Tue Jan 10, 2017 11:15 am

Me too, but my family's from Las Vegas so I'm drawn to glitzy shiny things Very Happy
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Post by Barry on Tue Jan 10, 2017 11:36 am

Amazing what a little mother-of-toilet-seat pick guard will do to spruce things up! Now it looks ready for the formal dance. Razz

Happy to hear your Tele is doin' what Leo intended Don, I think you'll like the new saddles too!

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Post by The Don on Thu Jan 12, 2017 8:02 am

The compensated saddles arrived this morning and after a couple of frustrating minutes wondering why one was "wrong", got them fitted with the middle one being the odd one.

It may be my imagination but the guitar sounds "sweeter" which, if true, means that the intonation is right (certainly it sounds that way comparing 12th fret to octave harmonic both by ear and using a tuner.

Thanks for the great tip Westbone.
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Post by Barry on Thu Jan 12, 2017 9:37 am

The Don wrote:...It may be my imagination but the guitar sounds "sweeter" which, if true, means that the intonation is right...
Yup! Hairy & Wooly

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