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Post by okaspar on Tue May 20, 2008 1:12 pm

I never tried it before, but I thought that it couldn´t be so hard to put on a veneer
onto a guitar or bass, so I just gave it a try. I ordered some sheets of
Myrtlewood, which looked spectacular enough for this try. It comes in very thin
sheets (0,5 mm) which are very easy breakable.

Now you get yourself a project instrument which isn´t worth enough to bring tears to your
eyes if it doesn´t work out like planned. In my case it´s an old no name
shortscale Tele-bass which I bought for 50 €

As the surfaces will not be visible there is no need to sand them down to the wood,
only sand the outer rim of the body.


You now have to prepare 2 panels of wood large enough to cover the body in width and
length. To avoid that the veneer gets glued to the wood panels you cover the
first panel with papers.

Then you put the first sheet of veneer onto it.

Now you put a liberal amount of glue all over the front of the body

And lay it carefully onto the veneer. Then you cover the backside with glue, too.

Onto this you place the second sheet of veneer.

Now (and this is important, I forgot it once and I can tell you, it´s no pretty to clean
up!) you put papers over the veneer, again to prevent it from getting glued
onto the wood panel.

Put the second wood panel carefully on top.

Now get as many clamps as possible and tie them as hard as possible (In my first trial I
had no clamps and put a pinball machine onto it. Not heavy enough, though !)

You will now have a nice wood and paper sandwich.

Give it a day or two so that the glue can harden. Open the clamps carefully and open it.


As you see, in some places the paper sticks to the wood, but this is no problem, it will be
sanded anyway.
Take a very sharp cutter knife and remove the wood which looks out over the body as well as
the wood that covers the electronic cavity.



You now have to take some fine sandpaper and sand the edges very carefully until you
have an even surface. This might take some time but I recommend doing it by
hand and not with a power tool, as you get the veneer damaged pretty easy.
After a long time of sanding you get an even result so that you take some fine
sanding paper (800) and also and send out the bits of paper and the complete
surface.

Now you have to choose how to finish it. I took some golden yellow wood stain …

….and an oil finish in 5 layers.

When done all that you get this result.



Not so bad, if I might say so. The cheap bass now looks classes better and pretty
expensive, although if inspected closely, the edges of the veneer are not 100 %,
but a good 90 % which is not too bad for a do-it-yourself attempt.

And the good part is, you can also do it with (or to) your favourite beat-up Westone,
which is why it somehow fits into this forum ... Twisted Evil

Now, have fun, take pictures of the progress and upload them.

Greets

Oliver !

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Re: Workshop – Veneering for absolute beginners

Post by Administrator on Tue May 20, 2008 2:22 pm

Hey Okaspar, nice tutorial there. Nice to hear from you again!

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Re: Workshop – Veneering for absolute beginners

Post by Sfalj on Tue May 20, 2008 4:22 pm

That myrtlewood is beautiful. It's the first time I've ever heard of or seen it, I must say it's pretty impressive. The finish really brings out the figuring in the wood.

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Re: Workshop – Veneering for absolute beginners

Post by Guest on Tue May 20, 2008 6:24 pm

Hi there Oliver,

Good to see you again.
Smile Sorry I haven't been in touch for a while, you know how it is, too much to do and too little time to do it all in! bounce

Hey, what a transformation though!
cheers

It looks like you didn't need my experiments after all - you've done an amazing job there and the colour is superb! Well done!
cheers

BTW, my little yellow friend, did you get all the paint cleaned up in the kitchen?
bom lol!

How did you manage to get the veneer onto the sides and edges of the guitar? Was it quite difficult to do inside the horns?

I'll be in touch again soon and get you up to date on the experiments!
Wink

Pauline
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Re: Workshop – Veneering for absolute beginners

Post by Sfalj on Tue May 20, 2008 10:29 pm

I don't think he veneered the sides. I may be wrong though.

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Re: Workshop – Veneering for absolute beginners

Post by okaspar on Sat May 24, 2008 7:18 am

Sfalj is right, I "only" veneered frontside and backside, the edges were impossible to do. I just also oiled and varnished them so they also got a golden color which fits just fine.
Right now I am working on another Tele veneering project, again no Westone, but a CG Winner Tele Flathead copy which means it has two humbuckers and a FR trem. This time I will try different varnish and wax instead of oil and see, how the color cones alonf. Pictures will follow.

Greets

Oliver !

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Re: Workshop – Veneering for absolute beginners

Post by okaspar on Thu May 29, 2008 3:40 pm

So, I am done now with the second instrument. I took the same color varnish but finished it with bees-wax instead of oil. I think
it´s even prettier :



What do you say ?

Greets

Oliver !

P.S.: Did someone notice the knobs ???? Very Happy

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Re: Workshop – Veneering for absolute beginners

Post by corsair on Thu May 29, 2008 4:10 pm

Gee, that's pretty - good work! Very Happy IMHO, it IS a nicer finish - not as 'in your face!", much more subtle! Nice! Smile


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Re: Workshop – Veneering for absolute beginners

Post by Sfalj on Fri May 30, 2008 6:27 pm

That is quite impressive. What kind of guitar did you use this time? And also, where do you buy your wood?

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Re: Workshop – Veneering for absolute beginners

Post by okaspar on Sat May 31, 2008 3:21 am

It´s a Marathon, a German brand, but I sold it as it wasn´t that good....

Oliver !

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Re: Workshop – Veneering for absolute beginners

Post by Sfalj on Sun Jun 01, 2008 5:44 pm

At least it looked good.

You'll be good enough to start up a shop soon and veneer everyone's guitars.

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Re: Workshop – Veneering for absolute beginners

Post by okaspar on Sun Jun 08, 2008 10:05 am

Oh, missed to answer the other question, I bought it on a shop on th einternet, they have all kind of veneers, but there are plenty of them. You even find a lot of different woods on Ebay, at least Ebay Germany.

Oliver !

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Re: Workshop – Veneering for absolute beginners

Post by steven on Mon Jun 09, 2008 6:07 pm

Hi Okaspar (and fellow musicians)

excellent article about the veneering. lovely grain too.

i have made a few veneered cribbage boards in my time. i must say though,
i found using PVA a bit of a pain. on Ebay, i found this wonderfull stuff. iron on glue. sounds odd, but it's great. the link is rather long, but well worth a look.

Link


it is sooo easy to use too. just iron the glue on to the base you are using, and peel off the backing. then place the veneer on and iron away. not only that, if it goes wrong, the veneer can be heated up again and moved. the only thing is, a "Veneer Hammer" is required.

Link

i made one having seen this picture. 1/4" thick brass an a wooden block

having seen how nice your instruments look, i may have a try myself. but it's a big area to cover though, and i'm not
too good with edges either.


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Re: Workshop – Veneering for absolute beginners

Post by okaspar on Tue Jun 10, 2008 3:20 pm

Hi !

I´ve seen veneer already prepared with iron on glue backside, but this is even better, so you can use whatever veneer you choose. Do you really need the hammer ?

Greets

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Re: Workshop – Veneering for absolute beginners

Post by steven on Tue Jun 10, 2008 3:59 pm

nope, not really i s'pose. anything you can smooth the veneer to the base will do. i used my Zippo lighter on small areas on the cribbage boards. i have not done a large single piece before so it's an unknown thing for me. i can only imagine the wood just needs to be pressed down properly.

i might have a go on my rather cheap Stagg bass.

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