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Post by Barry on Mon Sep 14, 2009 9:06 am

corsair wrote:
grogg wrote:Corsair - how old are you really?
Cheeky sod! Younger than Barry. mate... younger than Barry!!...
Swine kiwi player! Everyone is younger than me! Crying or Very sad
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Post by anaerobe on Mon Sep 14, 2009 10:37 am

Dan Gatton was one of the best unknown players around.

Kind of like Lenny Breau, who was a jazz genius, and lived for a while in my little town. He would play little venues around town - had lots of personal issues. But he had a real quiet understated style, unbelievably complex - influencing guys like Randy Bachman who incorporates jazz into some of his stuff (eg,Blue Collar). Anyway here's Breau:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=limCRMZD1Ec&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZKUcGTmvos&feature=related

... and with Chet Atkins:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsB8lFwfKyA&feature=related

and a documentary on Breau:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9SvTtaQLC4&feature=related

more docu, with the song Bouree:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=My78PblnVhU&feature=related

Watching his right-hand harmonics reminds me of Buckethead, actually.

Wiki on Lenny Breau:

Breau was born August 5, 1941, in Auburn, Maine. The Breau family moved to Winnipeg, Manitoba, in 1957, and their new band travelled and performed around the city and province as the CKY Caravan. Their shows were broadcast live on Winnipeg's CKY on Saturday mornings from various remote locations.[2][3] One of their regular listeners was Randy Bachman, who was sixteen years of age at the time. On one occasion Bachman bicycled to a Caravan performance in his West Kildonan neighborhood and ended up meeting Breau. Breau and Bachman soon became friends, and Breau informally began teaching Bachman, who has since described those lessons as "...the beginning of my life as a guitar player."

Around 1959 Lenny Breau left his parents' band and sought out local jazz musicians, performing at Winnipeg venues including "Rando Manor" and the "Stage Door". He met pianist Bob Erlendson, who began teaching him more of the foundations of jazz. In 1962 Breau left for Toronto and soon created the jazz group Three with singer/actor Don Francks and Eon Henstridge on acoustic bass.[2][3]

Three performed in Toronto, Ottawa, and New York City. Their music was featured in the 1962 National Film Board documentary Toronto Jazz, and they recorded a live album at the Village Vanguard in New York City and appeared on US network television on the Jackie Gleason and Joey Bishop shows.[2] Returning to Winnipeg, Breau became a regular session guitarist recording for CBC Radio and CBC Television, and contributed to CBC-TV's Teenbeat, Music Hop, and his own Lenny Breau Show.[3] To many Canadians, Breau's jazz is still an evocative memory of the sound of CBC in the sixties.

In 1963 and 1964 Breau appeared at David Ingram's Fourth Dimension at 2,000 Pembina Highway in Fort Garry, a suburb of Winnipeg.[2] Every Sunday night was a hootenany open to all. Another regular at the club on Sunday Nights at the same time was Neil Young and his band with Vancouver CKNW's Rick Honey as his drummer.
Breau's fully matured technique was a combination of Atkins and Travis fingerpicking and Sabicas-influenced flamenco, highlighted by extraordinary right hand independence and flurries of artificial harmonics. His harmonic sensibilities were a combination of his country roots, classical, modal, Indian, and especially jazz, particularly the work of pianist Bill Evans.
In 1967, recordings of Breau's playing from The Lenny Breau Show had found their way into the hands of Chet Atkins. The ensuing friendship resulted in Breau's first two LP issues, Guitar Sounds from Lenny Breau and The Velvet Touch of Lenny Breau. Live! on RCA.[4][5]


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Post by anaerobe on Mon Sep 14, 2009 10:44 am

oh, and so far, Rolf Harris is our best Didgeridoo (sic) player!!

...although this guy gives him a run for it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9g592I-p-dc

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Post by corsair on Mon Sep 14, 2009 3:23 pm

yeah; sorry, Barry..

I've listened to jazz for years, including Breau, Carlton, Burrell, Montgomery, Travers, Farlow and many many others - their knowledge of their craft in unsurpassed and their skill in playing their chosen form leaves most rock players for dead. They are always inspirational, but then I find inspiration in anyone that can do something well; I like watching tradesmen work at their trade, particularly engineers on a lathe...

Randy Bachman would be one of the most criminally under-rated rock guitar players of all time; I love his work with the Guess Who - clever, clever stuff and rocks well hard!!

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Post by grogg on Mon Sep 14, 2009 7:06 pm

DuoFuzz wrote:Did you mean THIS Grogg? Awesome isn't it, sadly no video so you cant see Gabriela's strumming style, it's jaw dropping!

Then there is their version of STAIRWAY and their own tracks TAMACUN and DIABLO ROJO.

Unbelievable technique!

DAN.

I was bought their first album when it came out and took the first opportunity to see them, her technique is a one off. She talks about flamenco style but has created her own. Really worth seeing live just to watch those fingernails go.

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Post by Barry on Mon Sep 14, 2009 10:12 pm

'Bin followin' along with interest...you know, from my rocking chair on the porch as I eat my gruel and watch the cars go by. That's what we old folk do... Rolling Eyes

I've been silent 'cuz other more energetic types have already highlighted most of the folks I've looked to fer inspiration over the years. Anaerobe I think has covered off the Canadian players pretty well, and I'm particularly pleased to see Lenny Breau on the list. He's tucked away in my record collection and needs to be retrieved and played more---by everyone!

Can't recall if Russell Malone was mentioned already (this thread is getting so-o-o long!) but he's certainly talented and shmooth (he was Diana Krall's original guitar player). You can find him on that YouTube thingy.

Colin James continues to be a player I enjoy, and try to rip off both musically and vocally---he's one hell of a singer and plays everything from pop to blues to rock and big band with alarming ease. Randy Bachman of course has that jazzy streak in him that he has translated so well to the pop work he did with Guess Who and BTO. Very tastey stuff.

Also already mentioned is my all time favourite jazz player, Kenny Burrell. He's just so damn good and I was lucky enough to see him live in a small club setting a thousand years ago when I was about 18 or 19 (probably underage in the club too!). A couple of my band buddies were with me and it was not long after Kenny's incredible album, Guitar Forms, had been released. I requested Greensleeves, a cut from the album. After I made the request I suddenly realized that he may not be able to play it since on the recording he begins with a classical guitar in a traditional vein, then shifts gears into a jazz version on his electric archtop. I figured it was tracked in and I felt suddenly dumb for asking.
But, damned if he didn't play the thing just like the recording! Picked up a classical guitar from nowhere, did the traditional intro, then, as his side men shifted into the jazz beat he switched guitars and blew us all away! Loved him ever since. What a talent.

There are so many influences, I could be lost here all night and still not remember them all, and I probably go back further than most here. The greats have already been mentioned and I would also include guys like Buddy Holly, Bo Diddley, The Everly Brothers, even Dwayne Eddy(!) as having influenced me in me yute.

I was also fortunate enough to see Bo DIddley live, also in a small setting. He had a couple o' dynamite chicks in leather with him as I recall, who were major distractions. Nonetheless, he did do that "shave and a haircut, two bits" riff on a big red box guitar, probably a Gibson or Gretsch, and of course sang "Bo Diddley". Major rhythm monster influence.

Oh, lest I fergit, John Lee Hooker...especially his earlier stuff. Very primal, earthy blues--rubber inner tube strips nailed to a barn door. Got ya right here, ya know? Taught this (then) young white boy a thing or two about the blues. Also saw him perform in a small club. I remember the experience more than the specifics. But he was an influence.

Man, there was a lot of good music happening in Toronto in the 60's. Great blues. Great Jazz. Great pop. Great folk. He reminisced.

And hey, who didn't play air guitar to every damn James Burton and Scotty Moore lick while pretending to be Elvis?
Or was that just me?

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Post by anaerobe on Tue Sep 15, 2009 12:50 pm

Barry,

That was an energetic display, many thanks. Loved Bo Diddley and that good ol' square guitar he found later in his career. I used to watch him on the Midnight Special, saturday nights.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=979rwnVPG4A

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=loh_btKJjZU&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_BNz_B1PNg&feature=related

Kind of a proto-metal feel to this stuff.


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Post by corsair on Tue Sep 15, 2009 3:27 pm

anaerobe wrote:Barry, That was an energetic display, many thanks..

...considering his age and decrepitude, it surely was!! However, he has a point - well, actually he has a few good uns! - but how in the name of poo could we forget Scotty Moore!!!??? Good call, mate

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Post by anaerobe on Tue Sep 15, 2009 3:42 pm

Here's old Scotty... I couldn't find a lot of him playing his stuff, and when I did he was with Knopfler, or Albert Lee, or (fill in name of great):

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoID=715920658

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Post by grogg on Tue Sep 15, 2009 5:11 pm

Is this officially the longest thread?

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Post by anaerobe on Tue Sep 15, 2009 6:53 pm

No idea Grogg, but listen to this... Sister Rosetta Tharpe (the solo is worth the price of admission):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JeaBNAXfHfQ

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Post by DuoFuzz on Tue Sep 15, 2009 8:16 pm

She didn't hold back on that solo did she, really gave that SG a good workout. Great stuff!

Give these a shot:

Memphis Minnie - Looking The World Over

Bukka White - Poor Boy Along Way From Home - Check out that slide!

Big Bill Broonzy - See See Rider

Lonnie Johnson & Eddie Lang - Deep Minor Rhythm Stomp

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Post by Barry on Tue Sep 15, 2009 8:25 pm

DuoFuzz wrote:...Lonnie Johnson...
That triggered a reminder of one of my buddy Glenn's fav's, Lonnie Mack and "The Wham of that Memphis Man! Just a wild and crazy sound on a Flying V that's unforgetable.

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Post by DuoFuzz on Tue Sep 15, 2009 8:35 pm

This thread is never going to end, is it! (It is good though )

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Post by Barry on Tue Sep 15, 2009 9:09 pm

DuoFuzz wrote:This thread is never going to end, is it!...
No.
We haven't named every guitar player in the universe yet.

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Post by anaerobe on Tue Sep 15, 2009 11:02 pm

Its not the naming so much as the education... I suspect a some of us are learning a great deal. Me, for example.

Duofuzz, Grogg, Corsair et al., are a collective wellspring.

BTW I thought the playing of Bill Broonzy is magic.

Dan, was that a National that Booker White is hammering on? And what the Sam Hill is that slide? Looks like the product of a sparkler having rodgered an omnibus! But it sounds right.

While his playing is not quite up to Broonzy or White, he may have the _best name_ in Blues:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5tOpyipNJs&feature=related

Leadbelly.

Twisted Evil

In the best robotic players section - this guy controls a machine that plays a guitar (again a poor National at the bottom of this conflaguration?):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Db4B93R4PI&feature=PlayList&p=752636AB768FF28D&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=16

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Post by DuoFuzz on Wed Sep 16, 2009 8:15 am

Yeah, Leadbelly may not have been the most gifted of players but he definitely had feeling. You can learn a solo or a complete tune note for note perfectly, but if you get the emotion right it just sounds lifeless.

Best blues names? Howlin' Wolf! - Spoonful + Smokestack Lightnin' - A big scary looking guy and that voice. I'm sure if the Devil is real he'd sound like this!

We should stop that robot guitarist guy getting a patent taken out on that thing. It can do the alternating pick and strum stuff better than me! If it ever goes into production the fiddlers will rise and we'll all be doomed, DOOOOOOMMMMED!

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Post by grogg on Wed Sep 16, 2009 2:44 pm

Enjoyed Big Bill Broonzy (enjoyed all the above), dont think Ive heard him before or if I have it was so long ago.
Amazing what you can develop when youve got the natural talent and aptitude, unlike me.

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Post by anaerobe on Thu Sep 17, 2009 12:55 am

Here's a bunch from around the spectrum - Hair and flash vs energy and Punk vs great finger picking ability on acoustic.

Rik Emmett from Triumph (out of Toronto circa 1977) - Gil Moore is the singer in this one, plays drums - "Little Texas Shaker". Moore was better than Emmett IMHO, way more raw:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MSEWq33phk&feature=related

.. and "Rock and Roll Machine", Emmett plays a wicked slide to get things rolling:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNhw1Ln9g4o&feature=related

++++++++++++++++++

And one of my favorites - just because the guy had tone with that old Ricky 330 - Paul Weller revisiting the Batman theme:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXmPEsuipUw

.. and "In the City" live - which is more frantic than the album version - brilliant, epic, unique band:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ipGhzrIi3s


++++++++++++++++++++++

Muriel Anderson:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELRGB9ghOas
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=9197001692208155910#docid=-4427829606365376954

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Post by DuoFuzz on Thu Sep 17, 2009 12:53 pm

Triumph ROCK! I'd never heard of them before but I'm gonna hunt around for their stuff now. I'm learning something new everyday on here.

I'm loving the fact he's using a Framus 'F' hole semi to rock out on, the amount of kids today that think you can only play rock or metal on a pointy guitar with high gain pickups and a Floyd Rose really bugs me. Show them George Thorogood or Ted Nugent and they can't understand how or why they would play rock on "a crappy old jazz guitar", bloody kids .

I think this 60's/70's era of rock is amazing and I've been trying to learn some of my favorites, so I thought I'd put a few up here to see what you think of them.

Jo-Jo Gunne - Run Run Run
Ram Jam - Black Betty
Golden Earring - Radar Love
Budgie - Breadfan - Metallica did a great cover of this in 1988
Nazareth - Bad Bad Boy
Wishbone Ash - Blowin' free
Atomic Rooster - Devil's Answer
Justin Hayward & John Lodge - Blue Guitar - A bit more laid back this one, but still a great tune.

I'll stop there before I get carried away.

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Post by corsair on Thu Sep 17, 2009 2:48 pm

My goodness; there are some names there I haven't listened to in a while!! I've covered loadsa Golden Earring tunes in the past and one of my faves is "She flies on strange wings" and of course the obligatory "Radar love" - great great band, still going to this day AFAIK....
"Forever Autumn" was one of my solo spot numbers for a while; and I think everyone's had a go at "Knights in white satin" - wonderful tunes!

Was that Budgie cover on Garage Inc.? The band I was in at the time covered 3 tunes from that record; hell, it was a beauty; certainly the best they'd done since the black album... but then I'm old and reckon there's been no good music written since 1979...

If you intersted in slightly offbeat stuff, have a listen to Steeleye Span; they did old English folk tunes with a rock'n'roll sensibility... well I like 'em!! "All around my hat" would be a good song to start with...

America wrote some very pretty songs that aren't exactly the easiest to play - I struggle with the licks in "Ventura highway" to this day for some reason and "Sister Goldenhair" is a must for a rockband... plus it gave me another chance to do a bit of lapsteel work!!

If you listen to "Love hurts", right at the beginning , you can hear the power amplifiers hum just before the song actually starts - way cool and Manny Charlton is another under-rated player; like Mick Box out of Uriah Heep; "Stealin'" is a good song for a covers band, too....

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Post by anaerobe on Thu Sep 17, 2009 5:36 pm

Budgie was a mighty good band, forgot about those guys.

So was Nazareth - loved "Hair of the Dog" the best, of many great songs, ground-pounding tone on the album version, but here's a live take:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJ66UO-iKpc&feature=related

John if you can play America properly my son, I may need to book a ticket to Fiordland or Dunedin or summat, just to witness it.


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Post by DuoFuzz on Thu Sep 17, 2009 8:05 pm

Good god! I completely forgot about America. They're one of them bands that escape me for years but I remember the tunes as soon as I hear them! The Eagles spring to mind when I hear them, and reminds me of similar bands around that time like Bread (Guitar Man) amongst others.

I decided to buy a Doobie Brothers 'best' of CD a little while ago and I must have played on my IPod constantly for a week!
Long Train Running and Listen To The Music are the obvious choice here.

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Post by corsair on Fri Sep 18, 2009 1:40 am

anaerobe wrote:...if you can play America properly my son, I may need to book a ticket to Fiordland or Dunedin or summat, just to witness it.

I can play most of their big ones note for note, - America tunes should be high on a dance bands set list - but Ventura Highway gives me the screaming heebie-jeebies for some reason; I know what the notes are, I know where I should play 'em ... and of course those licks go right through the song! *sigh*

The Eagles.. well, they're very skilled players, no question, but they're also very clinical and antiseptic... unless you're talking about the earlier stuff that has Bernie Leadon doing the writing: that stuff rocks!

I used to do a solo set within the bands' gig and would 3 or 4 numbers on acoustic guitar; "If" was always in there... pick out a pretty girl in the audience and sing it straight to her...worked every time! I kid you not... every time! Others I used to do were "Angie", "Classical Gas", "As tears go by", "Hillbilly child" - my show off piece; "look at me look at me!" Prat!! - "Roads to Moscow", "Tar and cement", "Rag doll" and "Under the Southern Cross". I've also been known to do "Cows with guns" or "I'm an asshole" for giggles...

I'll tell you, working on acoustic numbers tightens your technique really quite quickly...

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Post by Barry on Fri Sep 18, 2009 12:21 pm

corsair wrote:...I'll tell you, working on acoustic numbers tightens your technique really quite quickly...
Right on. For what it's worth, I made a similar observation in a recent post in the GG Forum. Great minds, eh?

For years I've been trying to get my Strat-playin'-pervert band buddy to get an acoustic (mainly for that reason). He never showed interest. Then two weeks ago he finally tried my Vantage VW150...and loved it! Raved about the neck and the sound, etc. And that was before I adjusted the bridge saddle!
I thought I'd converted him, but alas, no.
Pity.

So...all youse kids out there, listen to yer Uncle Corsair. Get an acoustic to go wif yer 'lectric. It really does make you play better and more cleanly, and if you sing as well, it's a must!

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Re: Enthusiasm for Hendrix' technical ability - Those under (edit: 80)...who's your guitar hero?

Post by Barry on Fri Sep 18, 2009 12:27 pm

corsair wrote:...The Eagles.. well, they're very skilled players, no question, but they're also very clinical and antiseptic... unless you're talking about the earlier stuff that has Bernie Leadon doing the writing: that stuff rocks!...
I have great respect for their singing harmonies, but the current band sucks without Don Felder, Joe Walsh's slide work notwithstanding. Steuart Smith is very good but as you say, "clinical" in his execution.

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