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Post by colt933 on Mon Mar 15, 2010 2:26 pm

norfolkngood wrote:Gary Moore. Followed his career from Skid Row through Thin Lizzy and then his solo years, saw him a few years back at Birmingham NEC when he was support for BB King's last UK dates. He still seems to want to move on musically, his work has alternated between blues & rock and back again, I've got all the albums and DVDs and will probably be buried with them!

No doubt!

He bought Peter Greene's Les Paul.

In the '60s in England, everyone (including Page, Clapton, and Beck) wanted to play and sound like Peter Greene.

Gary Moore is there!

If you have never heard Peter Greene, then you need to!

There's a sound in my head and Peter Greene is it.

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Post by colt933 on Mon Mar 15, 2010 2:35 pm

anaerobe wrote:Grogg - The Squeeze were a very, very strong pop band. Chris Difford's solo in Another Nail in my Heart is another almost-but-not-quite-forgotten piece of terrific work, far beyond the average blues box. Very Happy I've got a couple of their CD's in the basement, which I am now dusting off.

Difford is very talented (an underrated) as a writer and a player. In the U.S. they didn't make a huge impact in my opinion, but up here we heard a lot of them - cool for cats, pulling mussels from a shell, annie get your gun, etc.

More trivia - I think Difford's guitar in the original vid of Another Nail in my Heart is a Yamaha SG 2000 - which I have a soft spot for. Santana used em for a short while.

I saw Squeeze in about '83 or '84 at the Vanderbilt gym in Nashville. Difford was playing a pair of Washburn Telecaster copies with 2 humbuckers and either Floyd Roses or the Washburn Wonderbar tremolo - through a Boogie Mark II combo - that was pointed right at my head in the 2nd row.

He is a fabulous singer and songwriter but it would be hard to know what a great guitarist he is based on the recordings. He was HOT live!!!

Great licks, feel, and tone, and that golden voice.

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Post by Barry on Mon Mar 15, 2010 10:01 pm

colt933 wrote:There's a sound in my head and Peter Greene is it.
So, you still have the blues?

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Post by corsair on Mon Apr 12, 2010 3:19 am

Earl Slick. Capable of so many styles and doing 'em all so-o-o well; listening to "Phantom, Rocker and Slick" atm - 2/3s of the Stray Cats - and it's just damn good rock'n'roll!!

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Post by colt933 on Mon Apr 12, 2010 4:56 pm

Barry wrote:
colt933 wrote:There's a sound in my head and Peter Greene is it.
So, you still have the blues?

Yes, but I believe Trevor Rabin is my favorite.

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Post by grogg on Tue Apr 13, 2010 4:50 pm

colt933 wrote:
Barry wrote:
colt933 wrote:There's a sound in my head and Peter Greene is it.
So, you still have the blues?

Yes, but I believe Trevor Rabin is my favorite.

Thanks for that, forgotten all about Peter Greene, great stuff.

Whats in this? http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=OM25s5Cn1Vg&feature=related

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Post by anaerobe on Tue Apr 27, 2010 1:34 am

Couldn't see that Grogg.

Peter Green - what exactly did he do to the neck pup in that LP? He didn't simply flip it around, did he?

I like the first album he put out with Fleetwood Mac, essentially had nothing to do musically with the pop that they are famous for.

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Post by anaerobe on Tue Apr 27, 2010 1:54 am

I've been listening to a lot of Mike McCready lately (famous as the lead guy for Pearl Jam). That guy can shape a lick, but I'm sure he's not everyone's cup of tea. I like that he openly goes after Hendrix.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-kZsvHl_0ls&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9ot2iDM6xg&feature=related

And the much overplayed, ubiquitous "Even Flow".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1bxH4O0g4Q

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Post by DuoFuzz on Tue Apr 27, 2010 7:59 am

Hi anaerobe.

About Greeny's Les Paul, I've seen an article in a mag ages ago about that pickup! The way I understand it is that the neck pickup itself has obviously turned around 180 degrees, but less obvious is that the bar magnet inside was removed and also turned 180 degrees before been replaced between the coils.

Basically if correct this means that the magnetic polarity between the neck and bridge pickup coils remains the same as before, but both pickups are now electronically out of phase with each other. You only hear the effect with both pickups on together and at equal volume to each other, rolling off the volume from one pickup weakens the effect and apparently with the volumes set to 10 it cancels a lot of the signal and actually makes it more quiet!

Thing is, Peter Green swears he never did anything to the neck pickup itself other than accidentally putting in back to front after cleaning it, but that on it's own couldn't produce the sound!?! It's one of those great myths that never seems completely solved. Google it, there's loads of info that can explain it better than me!

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Post by anaerobe on Tue Apr 27, 2010 10:57 am

Thanks Dan,

That makes sense - much appreciated!!
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Post by Barry on Tue Apr 27, 2010 11:16 am

I may have mentioned this before somewhere, but Trevor Wilkinson and the JHS organization have issued a Lemon Drop replica under the Vintage label as part of their Icon series: LINK (Scroll down towards the bottom of the page)

In one YouTube demo I saw it was mentioned that the neck pup was indeed reversed, but no mention was made of changing either the mags or the wiring. As I understand it, flipping the pup reverses the direction of current flow around the mags and throws it out of phase with the bridge when both are on.

Trev's usually a stickler for details so if there was more to it I'm sure that it would be part of the marketing description, just as he did for his Tele clone and the references to Leo Fender's specs for the bridge and saddle design.

I've played a couple of Lemon Drops and they're full of tone. If you haven't checked out this line, do yourself a favour, they really do it well. I'm a big fan...I now have 2 Vintage guitars. Both are well made and terrific players. Good value.

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Post by anaerobe on Fri Sep 10, 2010 4:52 pm

Rory Gallagher - Bad Penny

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSzsDWTc4mY

His performance in Montreux is as passionate as any. I realize that this guy has been mentioned somewhere above.. but as a result of this forum, I've been listening much more to his stuff.

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Post by colt933 on Fri Sep 10, 2010 5:30 pm

Gary Moore, owner of Peter Greene's LP:


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Post by bowenjaybee on Fri Sep 10, 2010 6:45 pm

I try not to have too many guitar heroes it just frustrates me how naff I actually am on guitar! I personally prefer non guitar heroes like Bjorn from Abba, David Rotheray from the Beautiful South or Robert Smith from The Cure

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Post by corsair on Fri Sep 10, 2010 6:58 pm

Yeah; I'm with you, bowen... Paul Hewson from Dragon for me, or Don Walker from Cold Chisel....

Jeff Healey does a fine 'Red House' at Montreux, too...

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Post by Guest on Fri Sep 10, 2010 7:19 pm

Technical ability does nothing for me - I couldn't care less if someone can play a million notes a minute if they don't move me at all. Classic example - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rutyA12z3Ok

Incredible technique, but to my mind musically worthless. (Almost as bad as his solo on a guitar with four necks. )

I prefer more economical guitarists - ones who can evoke a mood, (favourite has to be Steve Hackett) or who play simpler solos, but where you can tell the player feels every note - like David Gilmour.

Sometimes it's not about the guitrist though - they can be better (In a band situation) if they don't stand out too much. Check out the Concrete Blonde cover of Hendrix' Little Wing - it's the combination of understated guitar and vocals that makes it work so well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwE1zNDhh0I

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Post by bowenjaybee on Fri Sep 10, 2010 7:23 pm

Thorn wrote:Technical ability does nothing for me - I couldn't care less if someone can play a million notes a minute if they don't move me at all. Classic example - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rutyA12z3Ok


That is not guitar playing it's masturbation

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Post by Guest on Fri Sep 10, 2010 7:26 pm

Exactly. Technically flawless, but it doesn't make him a good guitarist.

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Post by bowenjaybee on Fri Sep 10, 2010 7:29 pm

Spinal Tap springs to my mind.. I just can't take that sort of stuff serious at all.

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Post by Guest on Fri Sep 10, 2010 7:38 pm

Ah, to take it seriously you need to see Anvil - the Story of Anvil. Seriously.

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Post by DuoFuzz on Fri Sep 10, 2010 8:54 pm

Completely agree with you guys.

While I respect people like Vai and Satriani for their abilities, but I couldn't bear to listen to a whole album of that stuff, It's too cold and sterile. It's got no soul, it just sounds like one long exercise to me.

I read somewhere that it's the space between the notes that was more important than the tune itself, it lets the music "breathe". B.B. King does this so well on THIS track. No sweep picking or fretboard fireworks, just an amazing touch. Cool

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Post by Barry on Fri Sep 10, 2010 9:42 pm

Exactly right Dan and Thorn.
"Michael Angelo" might be better off playing piano. Shocked But I somehow doubt it.
I've never been a lead player so I tend to get a bit intimidated around those guys whose fingers fly everywhere. But my playing has always set the pace and rhythm of song and backs up my vocals, and that's whole 'nuther thang!
When I do get daring enough to note it out, it's more in the B B King school of playing. Punctuation rather than verbiage.

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Post by corsair on Sat Sep 11, 2010 4:53 am

Thorn wrote:Ah, to take it seriously you need to see Anvil - the Story of Anvil. Seriously.

Still trying to decide whether that's a straight up doco, or a "mockumentary"... I laughed my nuts off all the way through it!! Laughing Fast playing has a place, though, fellas - but no; entire albums worth?? I bought "Surfing..... " when it first came out and occasionally still listen to it; but that's the only one I have - no solo Yngwie, Vai, Petrucci et al, but I do sometimes listen to Mr Big; Paul Gilbert I quite like, and I will admit to having an Alcatrazz album!! ( I like Graham Bonnet, OK!!!)

That Michael Angelo was in NZ just before we left and held a number of 'Masterclasses" to one of which which I was invited; the amount of otherwise good players who attended and sat there transfixed by the sheer speed of this guy was sobering - these were players who lacked nothing in feel, technical ability or musicality....

I suspect a lot of the "Fast is bad" thing is from people - like me! - who simply cannot play that quickly; ie envy... Twisted Evil

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re: Frank Zappa

Post by danagos on Mon Sep 13, 2010 7:25 am

Wow, kewl topic, no need to throw away my two pennies when you've covered them already (admittedly, I didn't read ALL the posts).

I did want to mention the Frank Zappa Ceremony/Dedication/Concert in Baltimore, MD this Sunday, Sep't. 19,2010. Here's a link for some press:

http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/entertainment/midnight_sun/blog/2010/08/frank_zappa_celebration_consol.html

His son Dweezil tours lately with "Zappa plays Zappa" and they're doing a FREE concert, Sculpture Bust of FZ donated by Vilnius, Lithuania (who knew!) and renaming a street Zappa Way. Drop by if your in the Baltimore area on Sun. Very Happy

I'll be the guy in the Yankees cap, they're in town that weekend (baseball team for you Futbol fans).

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p.s. pm me if you plan on attending, we'll can get together for a seltzer w/fruit! :joker:

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Post by anaerobe on Thu Sep 23, 2010 11:29 am

Danagos,

Great contribution. Here's something that a buddy sent me today that deals with Neil Young's new stuff - and half the news is that its produced by Daniel Lanois with a guitar that he has been working on for years. Kind of cool.

EDIT: Even better, you can listen to the whole new album "Le Noise" FOR FREE. Free, that is. Just click on the appropriate box in the site below.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=129955938

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Re: Enthusiasm for Hendrix' technical ability - Those under (edit: 80)...who's your guitar hero?

Post by nasticanasta on Fri Oct 08, 2010 3:10 pm

Although I have no best guitarist there are just too many..I must say Allan Holdworth, but I must disagree with the Steve Vai is sterile sounding... he had more soul that EVH.
As for guitarists who made me wanna take up guitar in the very first place.... John McLaughlin & Larry Coryell, my very first jazz-fusion concert in late 70's...then Lee Ritenour came along...then Allan blew my mind.

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